I am the Evil one the oil companies want Dead, page 3

Just thought you might like to hear about a real life conspiracy that I am unfortunately very aware of.

Hello Illum.

Slightly OT or certainly tangential to your post.

Conspiracy? or is it economic responsibility?

I don't for one moment doubt that we can build more fuel efficient cars or that technology is kept off the market. But every time this sort of issue is brought up it always considers the automotive industry in isolation.

The cost of the pumping oil out the ground, the pipelines, the refineries and storage, are spread over all the industries that use it.

If we were to take away the need for gasoline , which is roughly 50% of a typical crude oil Barrel, then the effective cost of the other constituents rises. The economies of scale would change drastically. Plastics, air fuel, and feedstock for the medical industry would all leap up in price. Drastically so in some cases.

And this is just the base cost. Shipping and air transport costs would jump etc.

Our use of the gasoline car engine has effectively indirectly propped up a lot of the other industries that use oil.

You're car would likely destroy health care in a lot of poorer countries (and a few industrialised ones), if introduced overnight. An awful lot of 3rd world charities would go out of business.

Car engines aren't the problem. It's easy to get rid of gasoline as you know - I assume you're being truthful - it's the other uses we put oil to that are the tricky part.

We need time to advance our synthetic technology, and find alternate sources for other oil product based industries. Let's face it. regardless of what we run cars off - the energy industry will always be trying to make a profit off us.

We need to change gradually, otherwise we risk trashing the world economy, and indirectly killing 10's of millions of people. I'd suspect any drastic alternative or improvement in terms of the gasoline engine efficiency, will continue to be sat on and introduced as needed.

Interesting link if you haven't come across it before. Lot's of reports , that are worth a read if you are interested in this sort of thing.

Oil reports

Regards,

Tim.

PS - apologies if this sort of thing has been posted elsewhere.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by Illuminis

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Either you're trying to hoax us, or you're missing the point.

Release the technology to the masses with your name on the patent and that should end the kind of manipulation going on with our energies and give you all the respect and admiration in the world.

If you ask me this stinks of a hoax .. its been a while since we had one on ATS but I think this fellow here may be the next one banned for hoaxing.

He claims he developed an electric car...

Which is not new technology at all, and several inventors already hold patents, as do motor companies and oil companies.

Honda is making available to the public very soon a Hydrogen Hybrid car, followed by BMW who within the next decade is expected to finish closed beta testing of its Hydrogen car and release it to the public.

A lot of the issues araising around Hydrogen cars is 1. There is no Hydrogen fuel provider on a massive scale to the next missing aspect which is 2. No fuel stations, and even if there where fuel statation, to put water in a car when many areas around the US (Desert regions, the south east US, California, and many others) are in severe droughts, extended droughts, or under tight water restrictions because of over use by PEOPLE.. now if every car used water like we use oil .....

Where is the water going to come from?

The next problem and perhaps the biggest of all.. is the out put of the engine on a Hydrogen car is Water. What happens if, in LA, millions upon millions of cars, gridlocked everyday going into and from work, a city that produces some of the worst smog in the world.. now put out WATER?

Humidity..

Which would directly effect the weather ...

Which would change landscape, kill of species, alter the climate..

There has been little testing to show exactly what would happen, if anything at all, but either way the companies have it right.. the money it would cost to build and sell a Hydrogen car will keep 90% of buyers away.. the fact they have no where to fill them up at.. keeps the other 9% away, there will always be someone to buy one as a toy, but not currently marketable for a profit. Something many Car companies don't even see nowadays.

In 1974 when I bought my Toyota Corona from a car expo in Toronto, there was a beautiful fully functional electric car on display as a prototype... pretty sure it was FORD

Then in the nineties there was a show on TV with an interview from a Ford big wig showing plans for a new electric car... Damn@ It was the same one I saw in 1974... but in the interview he says we will never see it on the market..

Trying to find stuff on this but no luck so far...

But here is a PBS history of the electric cars...
www.pbs.org...

Funny no mention of Tesla... hmmm

But it does have THIS...

1997 - 2000
A few thousand all-electric cars (such as Honda's EV Plus, G.M.'s EV1, Ford's Ranger pickup EV, Nissan's Altra EV, Chevy's S-10 EV, and Toyota's RAV4 EV) are produced by big car manufacturers, but most of them are available for lease only. All of the major automakers' advanced all-electric production programs will be discontinued by the early 2000s.

2003
G.M. announces that it will not renew leases on its EV1 cars saying it can no longer supply parts to repair the vehicles and that it plans to reclaim the cars by the end of 2004.

2005
On February 16, electric vehicle enthusiasts begin a "Don't Crush" vigil to stop G.M. from demolishing 78 impounded EV1s in Burbank, California. The vigil ends twenty-eight days later when G.M. removes the cars from the facility. In the film "Who Killed the Electric Car" G.M. spokesman Dave Barthmuss states that the EV1s are to be recycled, not just crushed.

Who killed the Electric Car?
www.pbs.org...

There was also this one from SABB



Also..
1974 Fiat Electric Car

reply to post by Illuminis

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So, did you come to a public conspiracy theory website to discuss your invention and the alleged suppression thereof, or to search for venture capital? I'm confused, I thought you said money wasn't your main motivation, yet, you seem to only be willing to discuss this with people waving bags of cash?

How does your invention differ from regenerative braking?

Open source doesn't have to mean giving it away for free/losing control. That is, of course, if you do have something. . .

reply to post by Illuminis

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we dont get something for nothing.there is no way a moving car can recharge its batteries anymore than just coasting along from start to end of coast even if it only had wheels and gravity.unless as someone else pointed out --you had a sail on it--its going nowhere past its first coast down hill thanks to gravity.batteries will discharge on a trip--you need a fuel driven or nuclear powered generator of some sort or sunlight cells to charge up those batteries.

reply to post by yahn goodey

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Actually there's technology that uses perpetual motion or friction from brakes or other components to constantly recharge the battery of an electric car. No nuclear reactors or UFO technology needed. Just boring old earthly physics.

Pretty wild, man.

reply to post by mikellmikell

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ya think? really? maybe you should ask the ghost of stan meyers about that and maybe read about the water powered car he built and demonstrated before his death by poison?

reply to post by Rockpuck

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Definitely a hoax. Though, it does get you thinking about the current situation these creators of alternative energy vehicle are in. We have inventors of water, electric, and air powered vehicles, but they're either holding out for money or continually give their patents to those who they know will bury them permanently. This world is being torn by the greed of those men and women trying to do "good."

The next jump in social evolution is when people recognize that money doesn't reflect personal merit, and the things you do for the greater good shouldn't be paid to you with paper money, but people should reap the benefits of watching their inventions change the world in a positive way.

"Let good will come to those who give it."

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