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Is the whole "F.A.S.T." Interstellar project a hoax? Some evidence provided here

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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The only way that the invisibility can be explained is for the craft to exist
in an air disturbance.

You would have to test electrical science that has been banned such with
as an enclosed metal object with high voltage and frequency
generator.

Internal controls at each test since I doubt any signal could get through.
Each test requiring changes in voltage and frequency perhaps.
Thats the model of the Tesla science UFO.

The internal parts most likely stepping on toes in the energy department.




posted on Jan, 5 2008 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Springer
reply to post by MrdDstrbr
 


I think in this case the use of the word "celebrity" is VERY, no UNBELIEVABLY generous (or onerous depending on your perspective of "celebrities").


Most people had never heard of him before he got here. Everyone I called to "check him out" said "who"?

Springer...


"..Everyone I called to "check him out" said "who"? .."

yeah, right.



And, overall, 'I' personally think you'll soon be eating your words, and the actions that will force this will be announced shortly. till then, enjoy your time in the sun, and giggles.



posted on Jan, 5 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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What do you mean by that? Is Jose going to post some new evidence?



posted on Jan, 5 2008 @ 03:00 PM
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Regardless of anything and everything I think it stands mote that someone has chosen a screen-name and there is such an outcry about that said chosen screen-name....I don't think the person who choses a screen-name should be dragged through the coals on that said chosen screen-name.
If that was so then most of us on the Internet at one time or other would be guilty of ....multiple personalities????


My goodness this is just an out and out ridiculous claim in my eyes...would I be held just as guilty had I used one of the many names one can chose as a username such as Duke-Nukem??? Someyunguy(when I'm Someoleguy)??? Anunnaki??? The Prez???? Mr. Bush????? the list can go on and on.

What the crux of the subject is, we choose screen names to find a bit of anonymity, those screen names how ever con-screwed or reflective of imaginary or real people are nothing more then a reflection of being anonymous on the Internet.

Donoso, are you really thee Donoso or are you this Donoso should we contact everyone with that real name or is this just a Double standard you carry with Free-Spirit???


I once knew a chick that went by the name free-spirit...should I contact her to let her know that there is a delusional character posing as her on the Internet? A search on Google turned up 228,000 references to this name. Free-Spirit

There's actually 10,600 references for the name michiokaku

Come on now, you guys are reaching for straws and it's not becoming of a researcher (arm chair or not) to banter over such frivolous notions and concoctions.

Drop the username conspiracy, or find us all guilty of the offense of multiple personalities due to the choice of our username.


Other then that....as you were.



posted on Jan, 5 2008 @ 07:22 PM
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youbetchya.
(..but, as springer knows full well, actions speak louder than words.)

i've seen what's coming up, and it is 'documented' gold.

then we'll see who's riding on who's coat-tails.

(there are four 'things' that i am aware of; and possibly more, knowing him.)



posted on Jan, 5 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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(with my little knowledge...)

donoso is right to cry fowl if griddy is using his name now...
why, because it is intentional.(griiddy is fully aware of that name and who it is referring to; so is in a bit of #e if it turns out to be factual.)

as for free spirit, i looked into his images/(album) and he is far more in the loop than he lets on(and therefore puzzles me).

***********************
...and i'm going to say this once and for all...



...is griddy in the airforce(govt), and a part of a "dis-information, mis-information, disclosure program" that we are unaware of.
because, unless someone is helping him create top hoaxed quality graphics (see episode four intro, as it ain't no efn 'Groelsh beer commercial'),and the alien abduction footage; or he has access to NOT ONLY reputed alien/starwars satellites but also other (at times) excellent quality blatant footage that is of unknown origin.

(i remained puzzled, and have not submitted to the 'haox' consensus of all said footage.)

disclaimer: ANYTHING can be faked nowdays, but am waiting to see if (like that one image) it can be proven as such.

[edit on 5-1-2008 by liv074_v.2]



posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by liv074_v.2
reply to post by Sorscoder
 


(with my little knowledge...)

donoso is right to cry fowl if griddy is using his name now...
why, because it is intentional.(griiddy is fully aware of that name and who
it is referring to; so is in a bit of #e if it turns out to be factual.)

as for free spirit, i looked into his images/(album) and he is far more in
the loop than he lets on(and therefore puzzles me).

***********************
...and i'm going to say this once and for all...

(see episode four intro, as it ain't no efn 'Groelsh beer commercial')

[edit on 5-1-2008 by liv074_v.2]


First of all Sorscoder mentioned a free-spirit as a girl he knows. Note
the difference in the middle symbol is not the low symbol. That girl is
not one of the three free spirits members here on ATS so there is no
relation whatsoever with this discussion or the ones involved. There is
one free_spirt member (spirt not spirit) here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is another free_spirit_earth member here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And the third free_spirit that is me. Once cleared the point let me clear
another issue.

liv074 you said: see episode four intro, as it ain't no efn 'Groelsh beer commercial'

Wrong. The episode four intro IS the Grolsch Beer Commercial, this is
a fact and I debunked the whole FAST episode four providing a full
description with links here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Both gridkeeper and JohnLenard Walson's reaction was in disconcert as
they knew I was exposing their hoax by plagiarizing videos from other
sources. See here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

At that time gridkeeper accepted they used the Grolsch Beer commercial
as an introduction by means of "merely illustration purposes" confirming
my exposure because my evidence was irrefutable. However later he
erased his reply by editing his post clearly because they decided his
statement would be taken as a confession.

Still doubting ? Check the original Grolsch Beer commercial again. As I
said the cathedral images were later mixed with the beer commercial.

www.youtube.com...

How do I know this ? Because John Lenard himself sent me this beer
commercial sometime ago when we were corresponding each other and
he was excited by these images. He was the one who gave me all the
information.I had the original video long before the Youtube post. Also the
cathedral images belong to a documentary and Lenard Walson is now
presenting a video showing these cathedral images along with a woman's
voice but without the beer commercial images mixed. Clear enough ?

If you review my post here it was the first time I denounced John Lenard
for plagiarizing not only the Grolsch video but also Abby Bambi Parker's
videos and I provided links as evidences wich at that time was a shock to
John Lenard and gridkeeper who felt exposed in their scam. Check
carefully again.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Don't get the wrong picture here. John Lenard and gridkeeper are just
common hoaxers and video thiefs. They are not related to any goverment
agency, they are just a pair of adventurers in their quest for the big
money by orchestrating a huge hoax ala Ray Santilly in wich instead of
the mysterious autopsy cameraman this time is the enigmatic man who
is filming these alleged alien spaceships. But I know the man very well.



posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 11:12 PM
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thankyou for the detailed post freespirit.

but, am still puzzled, because to the best of my knowledge it is not the groelsh beer commercial.
here is episode 4 intro..















(thread/study link: ufocasebook.conforums.com... )

***************

AND THIS is the groelsh beer commercial ...






www.youtube.com...

griddy's footage is not the groelsh beer commercial.

..and that griddy accepted that it was is just plain confusing.
(so, standard griddy form, really)
*******
and is anyone aware of how/where he got the 'alien abduction' footage..?
is that pre-existing film too..?



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 05:36 AM
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also, when you confronted griddy on his use of bambi's images, he stated that we all should note that he showed more footage than what was available to the public at 'rense',


correct..?
as best you can tell did he have access to unique/extra footage of hers??

[edit on 7-1-2008 by liv074_v.2]



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by liv074_v.2
reply to post by free_spirit
 


griddy's footage is not the groelsh beer commercial.



All right, I know why you are confused liv074. I will explain.

The Grolsch Beer commercial was released in 2004 in the UK. There were
two versions, a 1:00 minute long and a 30 seconds long. The 30 seconds
version was released on tv in the UK but the long 1:00 minute version was
seen on theathers and special appearences on tv. The Youtube version
is the short one edited at 30 seconds.That's why you are missing images.

John Lenard (who was using another pseudonym at that time) saw the tv
version 30 seconds for the first time and then he got the long version from
a website named myalienabduction. He sent me the short version and also
gave me the link to download the long version wich have more images.

The images included in the Episode 4 video are from the Grolsch Beer
commercial long 1:00 minute version. Lenard copied the commercial,
made a crop, changed the color of the images to green and applied a
gaussian blur to make his own version but it is still the Grolsch video.

These are two comparisons I made for you to prove in detail those images
from Episode 4 are in fact taken from the original Grolsch Beer
commercial. Please click on each photo to see the whole image.







As I told you gridkeeper recognized these aliens and mothership images
were from the Grolsch commercial. But if you want to know how I got
this information and videos read the messages I received from John
Lenard (he was using another pseudonym at that time) on November
2004 telling me about this beer commercial. Messages from my archive.
Note how Lenard says bear instead of beer, as a british accent.

Subject: Re: You got a contact
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:05:03 EST

dear, I found this TV commercial about a make of bear, the film is in attachments.
I am still doing my art drawing of my own, I will send next.

Subject: Re: The alien commercial
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:16:40 EST

dear,

The bear is called www.myalienabduction.co.uk... I found
this on the internet web page that is like the TV bear add it's a bit different
from my one I saw on TV.

Tell me if you can find this web page and play the film?

THIS IS MY REPLY:

Thank you for the link, yes I downloaded this fantastic commercial. This
Grolsch beer is from the UK ? Never heard of it.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by liv074_v.2
reply to post by free_spirit
 


also, when you confronted griddy on his use of bambi's images, he stated that we all should note that he showed more footage than what was available to the public at 'rense',


correct..?
as best you can tell did he have access to unique/extra footage of hers??

[edit on 7-1-2008 by liv074_v.2]


It's very simple as Lenard Walson is making a complete mess just to
justify himself now that I'm exposing his piracy acts. Lenard Walson
has not posted new videos from Abby Parker but the old ones posted
in those websites I provided. Lenard Walson is now travelling to
Bedhampton in Havant from his hometown in West Sussex just to
take videos and photos from Abby Parker's place, like new photos of
the lamp, some videos at night that show nothing etc. in one word
a complete mess. I know this because he used to spy on Abby Parker
many times when she was famous on the Internet.

Lenard Walson claims many things that are not true as part of his lousy
scam. I have proof and my exposure has been devastating for him and the
gridkeeper. Back to your question don't be surprised if Lenard shows a
video with a mix of images merged from Abby Parker's materials and his
own ones. As an example of the mess Lenard Walson is making
sometimes he denies that Abby Parker ever existed, sometimes he says
he is Abby Parker and sometimes he just makes a reference of her as
" the person ". As a matter of fact the gridkeeper and Lenard Walson
impersonating michiokaku are posting messages in their Youtube bases
in reply to our devastating exposure of their hoaxes. They certainly are
pissed. And I still have much more to show, in time.

There is a recent video posted by the infamous John Lenard Walson
showing famous british astronomer J.W. Mason talking to him.
Of course Lenard Walson blocked his face with an image avoiding to be
recognized. I know the real story of this meeting, have the video and
I can tell you Mr. Mason did'nt know he was being recorded, I will expose
this trap settled by Lenard Walson against Mr. J.W. Mason in the UK.

It's funny how Lenard Walson made a cheap cut at second 0:17 editing the
original video because he mentioned his place. I will expose his trick.



posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 07:10 PM
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hello free spirit,

WOW!. yep, that'll do.
they are without doubt the aliens used in the cathedral images.
(and a big thankyou from us all trying to make sense of this mayhem.)

i also look forward fo seeing that video of jlw and Mr Mason when you can release it!!

but first, you have known John for years, how is it that John and Griddy are hoaxing all the interstellar footage?
Can you show or tell us one sample/example of how John is hoaxing these
images?

"..our devastating exposure of their hoaxes. They certainly are
pissed. And I still have much more to show, in time.."

from what you know, it is obvious you could.

frauds have done some much damage to ufo research and overall belief in the subject!!

quite simply, you would be doing the world a great service by exposing any hoax they are trying to pull with the interstellar images!!!!!!!!

you state you "..still have much more to show..".
(please!! don't tease us like griddy did.)

PLEASE, on record, show ONE example of how it was hoaxed,
(and release the rest when you are able/choose).

what can be said other than IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY ALL!!!!!
(and you are capable!)

sincerly,

mathew liversidge,
melb australia.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by liv074_v.2
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PLEASE, on record, show ONE example of how it was hoaxed,
(and release the rest when you are able/choose).

what can be said other than IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY ALL!!!!!
(and you are capable!)

sincerly,

mathew liversidge,
melb australia.



John Lenard Walson is debunking himself everywhere. No need for help
from anybody. By using a false name, inventing a nonexistent magical
apparatus and refusing to show himself to the world his case is dying
faster. By refusing to reveal his "beloved secret" he is just getting what
he deserves: The despise from people.

I been watching his rise and fall from grace these past months and I know
his case does'nt have future. I will wait to see his last decisions and act
by consequence. But I'll give you a hint.

You watched the Episode 4 several times. As you could see this is a good
piece of film in editing, special effects, mixing, superimposing and
overdubbings. The video is fiction but it has it's qualities if you consider
the production. This will tell you how skilled is John Lenard for producing
videos. Lenard is a master in creating special effects and manipulating
moving images. I've seen over several years how he developed his
skills till the point it was hard to tell if a piece of footage was the real
thing or not. Lenard could have made a career as a special effects
creator.

Gridkeeper is just an instrument, an asset. Lenard Walson is the real
mastermind behind all these images and stories. And I will tell you.
This case of spaceships in space was supposed to be a science fiction
story but Lenard Walson changed his mind.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 04:24 AM
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hmmm, impressed but not impressed.

impressed because you have let us know that it would of taken tech skills to create the interstellar footage, BUT ALSO ALL THE OTHER FOOTAGE HE PRODUCES.

so...

HE IS NOT 'SIMPLY' AN AMATEUR ASTRONOMER WHO STUMBLED ACROSS ALIEN SHIPS IN ORBIT,

HE IS A SKILLED SPECIAL EFFECTS CREATOR ALL ROUND, AND THE VARIOUS POSTINGS BY GRIDKEEPER SHOW THAT.

like this one....



photo.livevideo.com...


so, thankyou for joining the dots for me.
................

now, not impressed part.

you either know, or have a good idea how he is achieving the interstellar footage..
but refuse to tell.



any hints..??
......................

regardless, when he posted this DINOSAUR in episode 5,6,7 ish(forget which one),
alarm bells went off for me.



........................


and, forgive me, i ...took a sqizz at your images album, and i realised/noticed for certain that 'jlw' and griddy were definately seperate people.

do you know how, or can you imagine?


(and while on the subject, is this griddy?
)

..who is busy as always at open minds forum.
lucianarchy.proboards21.com...
.......................

and must say thanks for all you have shared, too




[edit on 9-1-2008 by liv074_v.2]

[edit on 9-1-2008 by liv074_v.2]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:50 AM
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And the latest installment to the soap opera is that John Lenord Walson is Married to Abby(Bambi) Parker-Wilson (she even carries his fictitious last name)

JLW + Abby

Good luck running this through the coals, they seem to be turning into ambers now.

Santiago is being accused of hoaxing?????

[edit on 1/10/2008 by Sorscoder]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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"..santiago is accused of hoaxing??.."

yes, i think he is.
but seemingly more likely he is telling the truth, and this is the attempt to discredit what he is releasing.
(but, add that to the list of what i don't know!!
)



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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I guess I said that with to much emphasis, as what was meant was yea right, I have seen Santiagos presentations and in my book he is an up and up ufologist, I believe JLW has to discredit anyone who stands in the way of the truth if he is wrong on this one and is not married to Abby
Gridkeeper has known JLW for a long time and he says that John is Abby, I wonder why Gridkeeper wouldn't have known that they were married or did JLW and him get their story mixed up?



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by Sorscoder
I guess I said that with to much emphasis, as what was meant was yea
right, I have seen Santiagos presentations and in my book he is an up and
up ufologist, I believe JLW has to discredit anyone who stands in the way
of the truth if he is wrong on this one and is not married to Abby
Gridkeeper has known JLW for a long time and he says that John is Abby,
I wonder why Gridkeeper wouldn't have known that they were married or
did JLW and him get their story mixed up?


As you both can see Sorscoder and liv074 Lenard Walson made new claims
shouting and crying along with some fancy videos right ? Did you got his
frustration tone in those statements ? Do you know why is he so upset and
pissed ? I assure you it's because of the final veredict here on ATS after
months of discussions, interrogations, evidence evaluations. The final
unanimous veredict was HOAX.

This final conclusion has been devastating for Lenard Walson. Now he is
in retaliation against everyone. I think there are still more crazy things
Lenard will do. Yet he still has the chance to do the right thing once for all.

To show himself to the world revealing his identity and whereabouts.
To show his astrographer's marvels, his equipment, his technique as
a legacy to humankind. To have the honesty and courage to compromise
himself in commitment to his case. To accept the challenge from science
and provide the hard and physical evidence of such amazing astronomic
invention. And finally to be a real man on his time defying the scientific
community by presenting himself with his devices. We don't want to see
more videos. We request to see him in person demonstrating the amazing
aparatus detecting those spaceships.

Will John Lenard Walson do this someday ?



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by stikkinikki
Quite frankly I have never been impressed with JE and the Rods story. Why has one of these rods never been captured in a bird net? Nets could be draped over and down the sides of the Mexican sinkhole for this purpose. If the nets got broken there should be some residual DNA evidence.


The Rods were pretty well debunked... And as that one set slowly in the west so too did we see the rise of the spaceships in the sky scam... As long as there is a photohoax... JE will be there.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 01:06 AM
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Yes I agree that John should step up, even in his wordage on his Youtube page it mentions the LuckyCam, this system was recently named one of Time Magazine's Best Inventions of 2007 for it's ability to correct or limit the fluctuations that occur in astrophotography from the atmosphere.
It's Time.
Imagine if what he has is what he claims it to be, A Start to the New Year as you said with A Legacy instead of where it's at right now. Marked as a HOAX on one of the largest forums on these types of issues.
Change is good.
But until that time it seems that it will only get worse unless he is willing to make it better. What will he be known for in 2008, we already know what he is known for in 2007.
Make a change.
All that will be left will be a bunch of 12-15 year olds (nothing against the younger crowd) believing in his magic if he won't disclose the scientific proof that is needed so that researchers can verify what he is claiming and give him credit where credit is due.



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