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Is the whole "F.A.S.T." Interstellar project a hoax? Some evidence provided here

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posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 12:58 PM
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John Lenard Walson is now Michio Kaku (?)

The weird and bizarre behavior continues. John Lenard Walson has a new
mutation. He is now impersonating Michio Kaku, the famous respected
Researcher, Theoretical Physicist, Author and Professor. It seems that
the bizarre behavior of this eccentric character who claims to be John
Lenard Walson has no limits and posing as Michio Kaku built a new
page in Youtube to promote his videos.

In a disconcerting move Lenard Walson is acting as Michio Kaku to
endorse his videos. To involve the name of the famous scientist is
simply outrageous. Michio Kaku is an icon and Lenard has no right
to do this, it's clear this malicious mind has no limits.

This is the link to the John Lenard Walson posing as Michio Kaku page
in YouTube. Read the whole manifesto to the left written by John Lenard
posing as Michio Kaku (wich is illegal). The whole statement is ridicule
and pathetic. Take note that John Lenard is again posting an unauthorized
email from astronomer and professor Gerry Gilmore even that Lenard was
requested by Mr. Gilmore not to do so and not to involve his name. It
seems John Lenard just ignored the request and used the email to
endorse the videos, simply an infamy. It's all in the manifesto here.

www.youtube.com...

I must say that in all my years of research I have never seen a case of
an individual such as this John Lenard Walson. A bizarre character with
multiple personalities and mutations, weird and extremely controversial
that is now turning dangerous impersonating famous celebrities just to
pursue his agenda. Fortunately the alert bells ringed here on time and
his whole tales are now labeled a hoax. But look what he is doing now
in his lunatic urge to be famous, impersonating Dr. Michio Kaku ?

For God's sake this is a truly shameless guy.




posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 03:41 PM
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Are you freaking kidding me? What's next? He's going to say Feynman or Carl Sagan came back to the living to endorse his utter (mods!) bull#? Honestly. I'm going to be sending an e-mail to Mr. Kaku to inform him of this obvious lunacy.

This guy isn't even pulling for straws at this point.




posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 06:18 PM
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Instead, suddenly Lenard has claimed Government Agents are after him. He tells me to pull the film and never release it again. I removed it, even the promo on You Tube. I feared for his life (because he was my partner and why would he lie?), so then he sends me a video of an alleged agent beating him up in the streets, (which I found highly suspect), especially because it looked contrived to me. Like it was either staged, or Lenard had egged someone on (by filming him without permission), causing this guy to react in this manner. So on September 11, 2007, began this Lenard fiasco that has culminated in my having to create this thread.


That happens to folks that put of triangle ships.
See youtube channel ever2020, it a plane.. I'm an air traffic controller
and you should not put up hoaxes. same ol' same ol' cover ploy.
Yes agents of international bankers or whoever owns the UFO.
See CYRAX thread on ats and how his camera was called into question.
No word on what possible UFO it could be.
Can't any one sar the t word. Tesla and his plasma motor use in the
triangle must be suppressed

Yet the Interstellar video is still on youtube.

And those strange space ship lights are from the Tesla plasma motors on the
Belgian Triangle type UFOs for lack of any other guess.

No hoax, the lights are out there same as they are found on photos and
videos in the lower atmosphere.



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 12:25 AM
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posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 01:05 AM
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posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 01:53 AM
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rggeorge,

Although I respect your one sided commentary. How can you expect those that read your (non paragraphed commentary that will make a good reader go for his/hers glasses]statements, understand you? You are one of a few it seems that are privy to the U2's. Without the U2's being public, we must come to the conclusion that Springer acted on behalf of the best interest of ATS in whole. Jose' has his own forum. May I suggest that you use that? He has been treated fairly by the community in whole. You, my friend are a minority on this subject.

Guz



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Spelling again and again.

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posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 05:52 AM
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Ahem.... you know, "rggeorge", I think it might go a long way too if Jose were to make a public apology to Klopp/gauncents/etc for the threats made, even if they were only meant as a "prank" or joke
and not made with serious intent of violence....


I think that would look much, much better than having.... *cough* "friends" of Jose's come into the forum and start pointing fingers at Springer, trying to tell him what to do - which I very much doubt he'll be impressed with....


Perhaps an offering of some new and exciting evidence would help to smooth things over as well....



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 11:13 AM
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I've had enough of this bollocks. Jose Escamilla threatened a member of ATS with physical harm he got banned for it.

END OF STORY.

I suggest you two ("Mr. Triangle and rrgeorge") go to Jose's forum and sing your songs there. We don't suffer trolls here.

This is your LAST WARNING.

Springer...

[edit on 12-30-2007 by Springer]



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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You know, I am still finding it difficult to believe that someone such as J.E., a fairly high-profile figure who has been around a long time and surely must be at least somewhat Internet savvy, would be so phenomenally stupid as to come barging in to the #1 public UFO discussion site on the internet and start threatening its users with violence!

Do we know for 100% certain that that really was Jose Escamilla? And not some poser involved in an elaborate hoax to discredit him?

I mean, has anyone actually spoken with him on the phone about all this stuff? Maybe this was actually a case of Identity Theft....?



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 12:20 PM
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Yes we KNOW it was him. It was his account, his IP address and the language used was exactly like the language in the posts he had been making. Even if one were to believe the ridiculous story that a "friend of his got on his computer and wrote the threats" it doesn't matter, HE is responsible for HIS account here.

Give it up. He blew it.

His rods have been debunked to the satisfaction of anyone with an ounce of critical thought who doesn't need to believe, this ridiculous "F.A.S.T." stuff has turned out to be a bust that he apparently got sucked into hoping to have a new batch of videos and much more to sell but, based on what he wrote here on ATS, he ended up holding the bag because the hoaxer couldn't perform on his end of the deal.

Reading Jose's own words, here on this site, he had huge plans for the F.A.S.T. bollocks, he was tired of being badgered about the few bucks people lost because their browsers couldn't play the videos they paid for on his site and he went over the edge. He had a bad day (or two) and lost his cool, that's all I really think it amounted to.

Unfortunately, that simply doesn't fly here, nobody threatens our members and keeps their account privileges. The "price" for the free publicity ATS offers is abiding the TAC like everyone else.

Springer...

[edit on 12-30-2007 by Springer]



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Springer
Yes we KNOW it was him. It was his account, his IP address and the language used was exactly like the language in the posts he had been making.


I understand. But incoming IPs can be spoofed with software tools and things can't they?

I was just wondering if any of the staff ever actually spoke with him on the phone. Or if all communications were limited to emails and internet transactions, which can all be spoofed to a degree.

But anyway, I suppose being a celebrity of sorts doesn't make one immune to incredible stupidity. After all, celebrities have been known to get caught with prostitutes, make porno tapes, throw telephones at people, have their children taken away from them etc etc.

An Internet celebrity going around threatening users on the #1 UFO site? Why not?


Way to go, Jose....



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 01:10 PM
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I think in this case the use of the word "celebrity" is VERY, no UNBELIEVABLY generous (or onerous depending on your perspective of "celebrities").


Most people had never heard of him before he got here. Everyone I called to "check him out" said "who"?

It was only after I mentioned the "rods" (and they quit giggling) that a few of them said "Oh, that guy. I don't know anything about him other than he thinks digital camera anomalies and bugs are 'rods'."

No big deal one way or the other, but it seems a little goofy.

Now Stanton Friedman (who will be on ATSMIX in January
) or Nick Pope (who is also coming on ATSMIX this week) THESE are what I would call "Celebrities" in ufology.


Springer...



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Springer
Most people had never heard of him before he got here. Everyone I called to "check him out" said "who"?

It was only after I mentioned the "rods" (and they quit giggling) that a few of them said "Oh, that guy. I don't know anything about him other than he thinks digital camera anomalies and bugs are 'rods'."


Well apparently he and his brother have captured a whole bunch of UFO footage as well (not just "Rods").

And I still think "UFO : Greatest Story" is quite good.

But yeah.... oh well. Moving on....



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 01:33 PM
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Springer,

I don't get it. We had a member of our very own forums reproduce one of the photography styles used by Gridkeeper/John/Jose. It wasn't using CGI or props, it was simply using a technique so the chances of it being a real phenomena are slim. Not only that but I have checked the coordinates given in Jose's brawl thread and there's absolutely nothing to be seen besides the norm. Granted, I wasn't using the exact make scope Jose claimed to have been in use but besides aperture/focal ratio and basic design differences I see the same exact things anyone else would. I should have saw exactly what they were seeing but I did not.

There is also a striking resemblance between the so called interstellar ships and ship designs used in various Sci-Fi films. I'm a big Star Wars buff so I'm well aware that some of the craft just look like long exposure shots of models straight out of games/books/movies:

starwars.wikia.com...

Also, on the e-mail I sent to Mr. Kaku:



So it's very obvious him and his organization has absolutely no ties to this ridiculous charade.

If folks really are all wet because of Jose and his blatant disregard for professionalism, so be it. But let me tell you right now:

This hurts many people in the process, every single time you drag hundreds maybe thousands of people into a hoax scenario you're not helping the field out. You're slowly making the situation worse and worse for people who are indeed in this field looking for empirical data so disclosure can someday become a reality. People who are actively running Seti@Home on their systems, people who have truly had an experience where they can't explain what happened but need to find out.

It's truly pitiful what people do when it comes to push and shove and Jose is a clear example of just that.



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
And I still think "UFO : Greatest Story" is quite good.

But yeah.... oh well. Moving on....


I agree it was pretty good, BUT it was 90% nothing more than a rehash of other people's work put to some decent music.


Springer...



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 02:10 PM
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I couldn't agree MORE Donoso. These scammers and hoaxers like this lot are the bane of the field.

IF there is a genuine "cover up" going on, people like these do all the work for those who seek to keep the field mired in lunacy and B.S. in the eyes of the general public and the mainstream media.

The average person who sees this tripe will think it's typical of the whole field of study and laugh all the way to the next channel.

That being said, there's little we can do other than that which we are doing. Going out into the field and gathering the best data available and presenting it professionally and logically to the people who can reach the biggest audience.

The idea is to get the spotlight OFF the hoaxers and charlatans on ON the genuine research and evidence that exists.

Our recent trip to meet with Clifford Stone, the metallurgist we are hiring to definitively test Bob White's object and release the results no matter what they indicate, getting "ATSMIX" on the air across the country on terrestrial radio and the ATS Book written by Jim Marrs being published are but a few of the projects we will complete in 2008 that we hope will help to do just that.


Springer...



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 02:13 PM
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True enough! I was disappointed to find that he used all that Disclosure Project footage without even speaking to Greer, for example.

But the bit about filming "Invisible" UFOs in Infra-red, if it's true that he's had a lot of success with that technique - well that's something that might be worth looking into!



posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 01:24 AM
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posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
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True enough! I was disappointed to find that he used all that Disclosure Project footage without even speaking to Greer, for example.

But the bit about filming "Invisible" UFOs in Infra-red, if it's true that he's had a lot of success with that technique - well that's something that might be worth looking into!


Actually that infrared footage was not recorded by Jose Escamilla but by
mexican skywatcher Pedro Avila from Mexico city. Jose Escamilla has
nothing to do with that experiment and was just given the footage.



posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 01:50 PM
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I've had enough of "Mr. Triangle"...


It amazes me how those who support the hoaxers and charlatans attack those who are trying to do GOOD, legitimate research and get it noticed. I guess when you have nothing of value that's all you can do.

Pitiful...


Springer...



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