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Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S.

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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 04:34 PM
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we have enough problems of our own in north america that are not being addressed by our government.---+30 million go hungry every day homeless people on the streets--drugs destroying young peoples lives--the southern border unsecure with the illegal aliens bringing criminal relatives with them--plus our own criminals that are not being dealt with in an appropriate manner---and we have a government that wastes taxpayers money on projects to spread our democracy around this planet-----so they can become just like us ?what a rotten mess!




posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 04:38 PM
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www.aimovement.org...

AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT GRAND GOVERNING COUNCIL
PRESS CONTACT: MINISTRY FOR INFORMATION
I don't know where they stand today,




What is especially egregious, and outrageous about Russell Mean's violations of the laws of the Dine Nation is that he is charged with assault and battery against his father-in-law, Mr. Leon Grant who is a revered elder of both the Omaha and Dine Nation and is 80 years of age and has an artificial arm. We, of the American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council are no longer surprised by Russell's clownish antics. He continues to deceitfully mis-represent the American Indian Movement in order to deceive those peoples and organizations worldwide, who due to their goodwill, and support of the Indian cause may have already, or will contribute to his appeal through his personal web page where he solicits money for the Russell Means Philanthropy and AIM Club Membership in name of the American Indian Movement, and an "Immersion Indian School" that never existed, nor does it exist at this time.Additionally, this is the same Russell Means who as Director of the Cleveland American Indian Movement filed a legitimate nine (9) million dollar lawsuit naming as defendant, Richard Jacobs, and the Cleveland Baseball Franchise due to their chief wahoo logo that promotes racism against Indian people.


AIM seeks distance from Russell Means




"We just wanted to make clear that Russell Means has resigned from the American Indian Movement on at least six occasions," said Bellecourt, a member of the Anishinabe (Chippewa) tribe, Ojibwe Nation. He spoke by phone from his residence in Minneapolis.In his "real life" before leaving AIM, Means condemned James Fennimore Cooper's novel, "Last of the Mohicans." Since starring in the 1994 remake and Disney's "Pocahontas," Means, in "reel life" now claims those are the two greatest films ever made about Indian people," Bellecourt said. Bellecourt was also concerned that many Dine people were upset by Means' portrayal of a Navajo medicine man in Oliver Stone's movie, "Natural Born Killers." Means was shown handling rattlesnakes in the film, but snakes are considered unwholesome creatures by the Dine.


Means, BTW, left Pine Ridge Reservation at the age of three.

What AIMs stand on him as spokes person now I do not know, yet.

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JSR

posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout
More on the right of Mr. Means to make this claim:


im right now reading a speech mr. Means gave titled " for american to live euorpe must die" given at the Black Hills International Survival Gathering in 1980.
www.blackhawkwarutah.com...

he seems to be very thought provoking man.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 04:48 PM
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Russell Means


It takes a strong effort on the part of each American Indian not to become Europeanized.

www.russellmeans.com...


Odd coming from one who left at age three and stared in movies, didn't really connect with AIM until almost 30 years later, better late then never but they didn't see eye to eye.




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JSR

posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 04:50 PM
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all i said was, that he was a thought provoking man. nothing more, nothing less.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by JSR
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all i said was, that he was a thought provoking man. nothing more, nothing less.


Was it something I said?


I meant nothing personal by my post.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Means, BTW, left Pine Ridge Reservation at the age of three.


Yeah? What is your point?

I am Lakota and I was Born in Oregon.

Am I less Lakota because of that?

Means had messed up parents who tried to start over in CA.

Was he not Lakota enough at Wounded Knee, Alcatraz, Rushmore and D.C.? He has BEEN THERE the entire time.


What AIMs stand on him as spokes person now I do not know, yet.


Means left AIM, not the other way around.

Means was one of the first members, and the first real leader.

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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 05:16 PM
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I mean they didn't see eye to eye, not my opinion, he either speaks his truth, or he does not, his past is not so grand even in his, OWN peoples eyes,

This has nothing to do with you or I, but does HE make a good spokesperson?

I will tell you more later, not that it matters.

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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 05:22 PM
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Does anyone think that the Us government will declare war on these people and claim them to be a terrorist threat? It makes sense that they would do something like that and then we could have the biggest WACO on our hands.....i mean we are talking genocide here because according to bush they would be enemy combatants just like we would be. The only difference is all we do is talk but they are actually taking action and that is more noticeable.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 05:25 PM
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I am afraid that the only thing that Mr. Means will achieve by this statement is to declare himself as a stateless person, unless one or more of the embassies his group visited extends diplomatic relations. However, recognition does not always equate to statehood; several nations recognize the Republic of China (Taiwan), but most of the international community and the United Nations does not recognize Taiwan as a nation-state, but as part of the People's Republic of China.

Its likely Mr. Means and company will be treated as dissidents. (can you say waco?) a caveat of international law, either party can withdraw from a treaty, but only the recognized government of either state can do so. As no other state recognizes any Native American tribe as a state, there is no government of said tribes to be recognized as a legitimate government. Standard international law...

On a personal note I hope they get away with it. No taxes and on my retirement income!



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I mean they didn't see eye to eye, not my opinion, he either speaks his truth, or he does not, his past is not so grand even in his, OWN peoples eyes,


Really the issue with AIM does not matter. Where are you getting your information from?

AIM is a very loose organization. The AIM you linked to claims to be the original AIM, as does the AIM that supports Means.

No single branch of AIM represents everyone, but we do know that Russell was there putting his life on the line from the beginning of AIM and it is due partially to his actions that American Indians are proud today and every GREEN EYED EUROPEAN OUT THERE CLAIMS TO BE 1/16 CHERROKEE.

in the 40s and 50s when he was growing up Indians often held their heads in shame. Many of the founding members of AIM had to re-discover their heritage and Russell is no exception.

Out of curiosity, are you Navaho by chance?


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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 05:35 PM
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Something unrelated but of possible interest to you all: Means ran against RON PAUL for the Libertarian presidential nomination some years back.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 06:30 PM
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i just take it as another illegal immigration trick to try and force us to allow amnesty or else the indians are probly pissed with the goverment talking about taxing the casinos the enemy of my enemy is my freind



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 06:36 PM
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just came to mind
wouldnt it be funny if China recognised them and extended diplomatic relations
and offerd the same support the US does to Taiwan?



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 06:40 PM
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OWNED. Haha, this is so awesome. I fully support what the Lakota are doing, FINALLY someone decides to rise up against the corrupt government of this country. Man, I may even move there. I hope more Native American tribes start doing this.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Mindzi
Man, I may even move there.


Before everyone starts packing their bags remember that this will probably be forgotten in a week.

Also, I must say in the interest of truth that Lakota are often very racist and most of you saying will probably not be welcome.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by SimonSays

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
How's that when the land in Texas is not federally owned?

speaker, maybe you need a lil light reading to catch up
on the events. Here is Alex Jones Endgame movie which explains
a lot more details than I can or have time to do here. The movie
is in 13 parts on youtube. But you can watch the first one here:

Endgame Part 1

Be advised that all 13 parts will take over 2 hours to watch

But it is well worth it in my opinion.


I'll certainly check it out. I know he did a remarkable video on the whole Waco affair.. I'll have to watch it piecemeal because I'm certainly not going to sit for 26 straight hours.
I am quite aware of immanent domain, but I always thought that applied to land which the federal government actually owned, which believe it or not is the majority of the U.S..

However, Texas, at least from my understanding, is a pretty unique case. It is still referred to as the the Republic "state" of Texas and from my understaning, the Republic of Texas (state) actually owns its own land, not the federal government of the U.S...


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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 07:08 PM
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LOL .... no I didn't mean that each segment was 2 hrs long. I meant
that ALL 13 segments together would equal over 2 hours.

You can watch all of it in a lil over 2 hrs (all 13 parts)

sorry if that was misleading .... my bad



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 07:10 PM
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This is amazing. I have lived on Reservations and know for a fact that the government uses and manipulates the agencies or 'councils' that run these Reservations.

If they have legally or by effort removed themselves from the United States than they are going to have to make sure they maintain a sovereign council - because they will be infiltrated by the CIA etc. right away.

This is astounding and if they manage to seperate from the U.S. and stand as a sovereign government it will be historical! I hope they can do it. Treaties have been broken by the American Government OVER and OVER, I know this for a fact. Might as well pull out and declare the Reservations to be completely independent.

I know that the U.S. Government is not going to stand for this. But the fact that they are making an effort to do something so revolutionary is great.

GO Lakotas!!



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 07:33 PM
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I just have to say that I am thrilled to hear of this. IMO, it's been a long time coming. The red man is the least recognized minority in this nation.
It's been my experience that an overwhelming amount of whites, sympathize with the plight of the American Indian. I have a tad of NA blood, and I cherish every drop. I also have black and hispanic friends who are NA sympathizers. Personally, I believe that this movement towards freedom will get a phenomenal amount of support.
In this board alone, you constantly hear voicings of discontent on how this country is ran. It is small wonder that many have become conspiracy theorists. I not only believe that some success will come of this movement, but I pray that it does.
I too have concerns as to how it will survive an economic crunch. I have discussed this topic with a neighbor who is disabled. His response was that he would be all for it, but wonders if this movement has considered the elderly and disabled. Would they have the means to support those who are incapable of earning a living? I hope that they have considered some of these things and have some answers for this dilemma.




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