Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S.

ok idk wtf u just said but i didnt say anything close to that i am saying if they wanna be happy they can be but not by making a new nation its by getting a job and making something of themselves. if they have to they need to move!!

reply to post by lakotawillfail


But you see, you have ties to the land. Only a few posts back you were complaining that you didn't want to lose your land and crops, your home. But now, since you have yours, the Indian can just move out.

Did you get that attitude from to many westerns on TV?

honestly idc where the indians move to or if they stay it really makes nor difference to me. if it makes them happy to live in poverty then let them but if they wanna job and cant get 1 their just gonna have to move to find one. but u never answered my questions

reply to post by lakotawillfail


The fact that your permanent handle is anti-Lakota shows us that you are a troll who created a login for in order to push your single agenda. I hope you are banned soon. If not, I am certain you wont hang around long.

BTW, as the name of a nation, Lakota gets a big L.

Originally posted by lakotawillfail
for 1 the lakota have no resources on their land that they arent allowed to get. it is all open to them.

No, I am sorry but you are wrong.

Look at the land we held pre-treaty and look at the resources. A monkey could figure it out.

there is no way they are organized and civilized

We don’t want your civilization. Sorry, it aint as cool as you think, it is just all you know.

the government probably dont care about this at all because they know they cant pull it off and be successful.

They wont until one of the alphabet organizations decides to siege a Lakota "compound" for not paying taxes and it is al over the news. Then everyone will care right up until the government slaughters them after labeling them as secessionists, pointing to one or two of them who use LEGAL peyote or a few that were ACQUITED for Lakota freedom actions in the 70's as justification.

no one answered my question: How will this help the indians in any way?

A: Nothing could make the situation worse, so what harm could come of it? The afterlife would be preferable to the situation for those on the res.

B: As I stated, freedom for the sake of freedom is worth the price.

another question: What lifestyle do they wanna live that they already cant?

One of freedom.

One of traditional ways.

A lifestyle that is un-American.

they choose to live in houses and not tepees because houses are better.

WRONG. Not to long ago Lakota children were taken away and adopted out because the parents lived in teepees and tents with no running water or electricity.

The houses on the res are filled with toxic mold spores and falling apart. A well built teepee and a comfortable fire would be preferable, just not acceptable to the feds.

Houses keep the alphabet mafias away.

why would u want to preserve ur culture? u would never advance! us whites dont still ride horses or wear suits of armor. we didnt save our culture .

And quite a good thing that you didn’t! By the time you landed in North America your rivers were so polluted in Europe that you had to give your children alcohol to drink or they would die!

The streets were the place you threw your trash and feces. To this day it is common to urinate openly on the street in many European cities. Hell, I couldn’t even enjoy Rome because I couldn’t stand the smell of pigeon crap everywhere.

You came here and brought you "advanced" culture to this clean continent, then you raped the land, murdered the people and their culture and your factories defecated on the land, just like your bodies did to your water supply in Europe.

We don’t want your advancement and we never did.

We don’t want your commercialism, so we have no jobs on our lands. We don’t want your McDonalds culture and your malls and your schools; if we did, we would all have left the reservations by now.

You think your way is the right way, and I understand how you think that way because I grew up in your culture.

Maybe it is the right way to YOU and your ilk, but not to us.

You people need to learn to mind your own business, both at home and abroad.

Why do you want to stop us from living the life we want on our land?

I lend a little weight to the nature side of the nature vs. nurture argument here, because although I grew up in modern American society, I have a deep seated desire to return to the old ways.

Are you referring to having "pow wows"? Sure, those could be put on at a lot of locations. I think being a tourist attraction for a bunch of camera buffs in Bermuda shorts and straw hats is just what nation building is all about, NOT.

I'm sure it would make a lot of people happy if every Indian moved to Washington DC, where they could be close to the Washington Redskins, and went to work in fast food joints. They could serve Butt Buster Burgers to overweight white people through the week and entertain them with "pow wows" on the weekend. And live in a different ghetto.

[edit on 26-12-2007 by NGC2736]

Just a good quote I read, I think it is on subject.

Today, on the land now called America, the natural and spiritual (or true-American way of life) is almost totally obscured by the man-made way of non-life. It is an easy thing to separate the natural way from the man-made way. The natural laws that govern the natural way are living laws that are self-operating. The man-made laws (or legal laws) are inert things whose power to govern beings (and only human beings) come from policemen, armies and indoctrination. (The Mother Earth is not subject to the legal world even though she can be abused by human beings - other beings that also live on Mother Earth are not subject to the legal system and its laws although they can be destroyed or held in captivity.) Nevertheless human beings in a natural state have the freedom to choose which path of life they want to follow. And humans do not have that freedom under the legal world system of the United States for they are forcing their control over all human beings who live on this land whether they want it or not. And they brainwash the children with their compulsory education which is indoctrinal in content and rigidly ethnocentric in nature. The rigid narrow world-view of the legal world doctrine is the only allowable curriculum in the legal world educational institutes. Any different world view, whether political or religious in nature, is seen as threatening and therefore subversive or iconoclastic. So we see that the so-called true American way of life is not taught, because it is not know, in today's classrooms.

It is better for the human being to be in a peaceful harmonious relationship with the natural world and the natural laws than to transgress. For the transgressor will find no immunity under these laws and must pay the fullest penalty. (Even through there is a way or opening for the one who is worthy to transcend these natural laws hence stone canoes can float with ease upon the waters. The worthy one is in a direct relationship with the spiritual world and spiritual laws which are above the natural world and its laws.)

To be in a state of war with the natural world and in violation of its natural laws, as is the case today, is to be in a state of war with oneself - seeing as how humans are a part of the natural world and therefore subject to its laws. And the peace they seek will ever elude these violators - even in death they will not find the peace they purportedly seek.

It was quoted by an Indian, all I know. My interest in this subject is more from my wife. She has been tagging along with me in great interest. She is 100% Navajo and grew up on a reservation. If I was to give her this keyboard I would be banned!


Guz

[edit on 27-12-2007 by Guzzeppi]

ok seriously saying that indians wanna live in tepees and that would make them happy just shows how white and naive u really are. they dont wanna live like that they want a normal house like every1 else they dont have a problem with our culture its just an excuse if they really had a problem they wouldnt have casinos. they are normal ppl like u and me like i said b4 they want a normal life and as for the dumbass tryin to answer my questions up a few posts they have freedom and if they wanna be unamerican then they are traitors and need to be hung! they are 100% free right now how much more free can they get? what can they do as an independent nation that they cant do now??

reply to post by lakotawillfail


Well, as the resident dumbass, I'll answer that. They could be self governing, instead of ruled by decree from DC. I know such an idea wouldn't set well with those that think white, because to them, there is nothing more that could be desired. Trust me, there's a lot more to be desired.

The Great White Father is just a wore out old tyrant.

ur just saying there is more they could do but u still havent said what they could do which proves that there is nothing more they can possibly have so stop arguing a losing battle

also i did some research and whoever made the lakotafreedom site they have a north carolina number to contact them if ur the media and the lakota are located nowhere near north carolina so idk wtf is up with that

also i was refering to cav something as the dumbass

[edit on 27-12-2007 by lakotawillfail]

Originally posted by lakotawillfail
ur just saying there is more they could do but u still havent said what they could do which proves that there is nothing more they can possibly have so stop arguing a losing battle

How does anyone know what they can do unless they are TRULY free?! How about you answer you own question?

ok they are truly free... they are not rstricted by anyone or anything and if they are then what? and dont just say the government because i want specifics

Originally posted by lakotawillfail
they are normal ppl like u and me like i said b4 they want a normal life and as for the dumbass tryin to answer my questions up a few posts they have freedom and if they wanna be unamerican then they are traitors and need to be hung!

Is that a T&C violation?

reply to post by lakotawillfail


So I should speak no more because you have decided what is and is not important? My, you are feeling your oats tonight Kimosabe.

Let me see, in this thread you've called people here names, advocated murder by hanging, suggested that Native People have all the freedoms they need, and refused to understand anything said in answer to your tirades.

Once more, the freedom they seek is to choose their own course in life instead of having some "civilized" version thrust on them. They want the freedom to choose how the land is used, instead of having the government, through the BIA, decide for them.

But mostly, I would think that in every Lakota heart is the desire to be able to send pompous redneck raciest a message that this was and is their land, their ways, and their future. And no amount of mouth flatulence from rednecks will ever change that.

LWF, there was no need to punch a button making me your foe. I doubt we'll ever be attending each others dinner parties.

Please excuse me for not returning the favor, but I'm hampered in doing this because the wording therein speaks of "respected" foe, and much like treaties, I read the whole damn thing.

ur missing the whole point they do have the freedom to do with the land as they please.

and as for the murder that is not murder it is execution there is a difference! it is a crime to be a traitor and it is punishable by death!

they do get to choose what to do with the land and if they will let ppl do certain things. they already rule themselves its just that they also have to obey Federal laws as well. the only thing they could be free of is the court system. and also if they do become a new nation they will lose all electricity and all of that because its no longer America then everything in that country will be alot more expensive making them even poorer

reply to post by lakotawillfail


I am not the one ignoring the point that the land usage is decided by the BIA FOR the poor ignorant savages, and doing a good job of keeping white ranchers and white corporations making a profit off of it.

Murder? Well, since they belong to a SEPARATE nation already, how the hell could it be treason? Could you be charged, living in SD and a citizen of the US, with treason against Canada? Mexico? Just because the land borders the US does not mean they have lost their right to be a separate nation. So, yes, it would be murder.

Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men,
we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents.
Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.
We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.
When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket,
he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift.
We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.
We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being
was not determined by his wealth.
We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians,
therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.
We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know
how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things
that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society.

John (Fire) Lame Deer
Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976

Ghost Dance



www.youtube.com...

[edit on 27-12-2007 by E†E]

Nice video thanks.
And, what is that all about? up a few posts. Traitor ? And un-american? I missed something. But whatever it was, that is no reason for name calling. How could , oh, never mind. Just be civil, please.