NWO is responsible for concert pitch A-440hz

I've studied music most of my life, not just instruments, but also theory as well as recording and sound engineering.

Did you know that many classical bands don't even tune to 440 anymore? But.. wait for it, its not 432 they're tuning to, they're tuning more around 447, since they're looking for that 'brighter' sound. This drift has been happening over time.

main reason A wa sused, to my understanding was that was the base note for the divisions of notes. Now, as any musician known, all notes exept for the base note are some degree of out of tune with the rest of the scale, since the division itself is imperfect, and no, tuning down to 432 doesn't help. Ask any guitarist and they will all complain that their g string always sounds slightly out of tune when played open unless they have a compensating nut on their axe. even when tuned to a perfect g note. It will sound 'off' compared to the rest.

heres teh rub, the tuning itself doesn't matter near as much, and most of what you get effectwise is more psychosomatic than real. your speakers, the musicians grip on the instrument and even the temperature all affect the pitch being sent out to you.

changing the base number doesn't suddenly make all the calculations work, its just being played flat.

IIRC, 439 was also heavily pushed to be the standard, but they had a hard time reproducing that tone in a lab because it was a prime number (heard in passing)

i agree with one of the previous posters that digital is killing the music. theres something missing from it and usually its the incidental tones and frequencies that we cant discernably hear. some of those sub and ultra sonics ar elost. but they were also lost on a lot of vinal recordings as well.

Now, if digital is recorded full spectrum and high definition (very high sampling rates) it can be a work of beauty, as long as you have a sound system that can faithfully reproduce it, which almost no one does.

btw, bending a note *raises* the pitch, not lowers it.

its a godo theory though, and I'll look ito it more this week, since for all I know, I can always learn more.

CoffinFeeder:
Did you know that many classical bands don't even tune to 440 anymore? But.. wait for it, its not 432 they're tuning to, they're tuning more around 447, since they're looking for that 'brighter' sound. This drift has been happening over time.

Bobby:
I`m sure it has ....that doesn`t make it scientifically sound.
so their looking for a brighter sound?...where is the scientific
value to that?

CoffinFeeder:
main reason A wa sused, to my understanding was that was the base note for the divisions of notes. Now, as any musician known, all notes exept for the base note are some degree of out of tune with the rest of the scale, since the division itself is imperfect, and no, tuning down to 432 doesn't help. Ask any guitarist and they will all complain that their g string always sounds slightly out of tune when played open unless they have a compensating nut on their axe. even when tuned to a perfect g note. It will sound 'off' compared to the rest.

Bobby : First off
"A" is not the base note for the divisions of notes "C" is..
yes the division would almost seem imperfect if you are using the curent
structure of math.
in quantum math it all fits perfectly....lllllllllllllllike a glove.....
ya ...as a guitarist when i very first tried it it seemed floppy and out of tune.
BUT....with a very small amout of patience and physical adjustment
it becomes overwhelmingly apparent that this is the resonant frequency that rocks above all. and the new science PROVES IT.

CoffinFeeder:
heres teh rub, the tuning itself doesn't matter near as much, and most of what you get effectwise is more psychosomatic than real. your speakers, the musicians grip on the instrument and even the temperature all affect the pitch being sent out to you.

Bobby:
more psychosomatic than real?? ya thats why the computations are
dead on ..... hm i see.
your starting to sound like a debunker instead of trying to logically debate.

CoffinFeeder:
changing the base number doesn't suddenly make all the calculations work, its just being played flat.

Bobby:
it does if you have the correct corordinates and proper calculations.....sir do you have any basic knowledge of quantum superstring theory? because without it you are completely in the dark on this matter.

CoffinFeeder:
IIRC, 439 was also heavily pushed to be the standard, but they had a hard time reproducing that tone in a lab because it was a prime number (heard in passing)

Bobby:
I`m sure it was....look what are you trying to say.
they tried a tunning and this peticular one had really bad number results.
ok all that tell me is the 439 is not the 1 resonant frequency that supplies
any scientic and/or natual results.

CoffinFeeder:
i agree with one of the previous posters that digital is killing the music. theres something missing from it and usually its the incidental tones and frequencies that we cant discernably hear. some of those sub and ultra sonics ar elost. but they were also lost on a lot of vinal recordings as well.

Bobby:
like i explain in the thread digital computing will only
recreate what you put into it
you feed it tones based on 440 and the pc works 100 harder to attempt to reproduce a tone that it cannot even fully reprodce.
in 440 a "d" note is 293.66hz (wtf is that) that is not a resolved note..
very un-balanced.
now a "d" note in 432 is 288hz ...now you tell me what looks balanced at what doesn`t.
the flawed math of today does note explain the growth and natural expansion rate of the universe....quantum math does.
music in 432 using the 12 note structure with the harmonic fifth as the
sequence provider is the NEW MATH for the future.


to be continued

-Music is Magic
-Bobby









[edit on 26-12-2007 by Maya432]

[edit on 26-12-2007 by Maya432]

well i decided that this character is not worth debating with.
but if anyone thinks that I should answer the remaining questions that
Coffin Feeder(dude ..wtf is up with the name....wow...can you feel the love)
has presented to me then I will be more than happy to continue answering his questions for the sake of DEBATE and in his case
i use this term very loosely.


-Music is magic
-Bobby

[edit on 26-12-2007 by Maya432]

reply to post by CyberTruth

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You are correct about how music has lost its luster and much of audiophonic qualities since becoming digitized. This is because of the compression algoriths used in the conversion process that basically take the music you hear (the prominent instruments) and give these priority over the subtle instruments or sounds it assumes you no longer need to hear.

I think it's called the ASIC processor but may have the acronym wrong.
This is how you are able to get five minutes of music on 1.5 M Bytes of memory.
You can alter the pitch as someone suggested here but with most of the ancilary sounds already removed I doubt it would have the same effect.

Very intersting thread and if anything gives credebility to shape shifting reptilian theory, this should because if you think about the way hitting the resonant frequency of a wine glass can cause it to shatter, perhaps also there may be a resonant frequency that can alter cells at a molecular level thus causing it to shift in shape as well.

432


(Writen by Jacques Groenen)

Bobby:
432...it in inself has no meaning/value ..it is not a number or an equation.....it is a point of reference....ie... I:I..... it also translates
to the hebrew genesis I:I "in the beginning" the sequence ends at
12:12 and then restarts after reaching the octave.

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[edit on 26/12/07 by masqua]

reply to post by Alxandro

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yes like i said if you feed it 440 numbers then yes the digital domain is going to give you a pale version of the real thing..
feed it 432 and the numbers get so simple and pure that the pc
has no problem re-creating..and with new and faster pc`s then the abilty to host the wave proccess will be even that much greater.

now... compression........ is getting less and less all the time with access to higher bit lenghts/rates and faster speeds and more efficient compression.
and we are only talking about around 20hz to 20kz, relatively slow waves
if you wanted to compare wave speeds.
so yes ....digital sounds cold...the 432 adjustment will eliminate this lack
of harmonic balance.

-Music is Magic
-Bobby

reply to post by Maya432

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thanx masqua
I see i should not have left out any section of the quote....its just i don`t wanna pic on any musicians and I felt that his reference to the rolling stones was rather irelevent to my discussion at the time I`m new at this and had not even considered that all quotes should be left completely untouched...although it was alot more than a qoute or two,it was almost a whole page....but i understand now
So thanx for the heads up on proper quoting proceedures......cool

computers do not LACK the ability to give us all the frequences and nuances we need....a computer ..even a cheap one is capable of frequencies far far beyond anything that the music/sound spectrum or our hearing spectrum demands ....and i mean far....

so when I say that the digital domain is cold it is only because of a harmonic imbalance.
easily correctable.

Wow this is an amazing thread. Looking at it like I'm holding a guitar 447 is in the neighbourhood of being the next whole fret up from 432 so it seems to make sense that we would collectively settle on a whole note again. Yes 440hz is a bit inharmonious but maybe it was deciding on an inharmonious standard for a while paved the way for rock and roll on AM radio? Led Zepplin's music seems to leave the listener off balance and maybe it's not just their dabbling with Crowley, but because they're tuned to 440!

The whole planet we live on is tuned to the key of F - all the mass of the Earth makes for an F many octaves down the bar. I suppose if you wanted to write music that fits nicely with the ears on the planet you'd tune to 432hz and write it in a key that is complimentary to F. (A or D come to mind because fifths are balanced)

I would think that 447 is not one of the KEY notes for computations as much as it is a nessecary component of the whole.(but I`m not sure yet)
the key harmonics are the fifth 2/3 and the fourth 3/4.(this harmonic
causes all 12 subharmonics to vibrate)
so yes 447 does seem to be one of the superstring nodes but I`m
not sure if it is capable of being the base of the equation.
the sequence I keep reading about over and over is c to g
which is a fifth and then g up to the octave c which creates a fourth.
And I know that all scales are built from the key of c..
so I think that c is probably the most powerful of the base for harmonics.

but all this still only rings true when the primmer is applied
that primmer is the 432.
it takes the three required elements(geometric,arithmetic,and harmonic)
and unites them into a fouth dimensional hyper space.

people I`m really not sure why I understand this stuff.(Or seem to think I do)
I have some real trippy paranormal/ufo type experiences from my past that lead me to believe that I was given coded messages that would eventually show themselves to me...this may be a manifestation
of these experiences,but I have been trying as hard as I can to keep
these subjects away from this thread. and i`m regressing here....sorry.
mabey for another thread someday huh?
-Music is magic.............................it really is..
-Bobby
ps I forgot to mention the f ...you may be correct..but i thought it was f#
like the tibetan aum chant......fact:also in 432..
there are so many computaions and possible results from this new science.

[edit on 27-12-2007 by Maya432]

Are you a scientist or a musician? It's about the subjective experience of listening to pleasing tones, which is perception and opinion. Scientific value has no direct correlation with the quality of the sound perceived. Many people like many different things.




For someone who earlier stated they have "0 education" in math and sciences telling us that quantum math perfectly fits it seems a bit off. And telling me that its "overwhelmingly apparent" and that it's proven makes it seem that you are unwilling to debate the subject because you have already closed yourself off to other ideas.



The computations equal nothing. Your hearing is not perfect, your subjective experience is not perfect, and the actual instrument will not perfectly produce the computations. I'll address the debate issue in a moment...



We seem to keep coming to the same thing so I thought I might as well bring up the quote of yours I mentioned earlier.



I'm just wondering how you've managed to go from 0 math and science education to understanding the basics of superstring theory, let alone telling others they need to do more research. I would lose the overconfidence if you wish debate with us here or learn more about this subject. You present yourself as if you've read a few papers and then spat it back to us, not as someone who truly understands the material. The idea you have brought up is interesting but you are not doing a service to it or gaining respect for it amongst us if you refuse to seriously address the arguments that previous posters have made. Let's try to learn more about this together.

Great post, Parabol. Got a star from me. And I starred and flagged the OP's post because I think it's a fascinating topic. And one about which I know virtually nothing.

I also starred CoffinFeeder's post because I think he(or she) raised some very interesting points.

Maya432, you've got a great topic going here. I'm not sure where the animosity to CoffinFeeder came from. I sure didn't see anything in that post other than some additional info and a compliment about a good theory.

Bear in mind there are many more lurkers to a thread than actual participants and if you'd like to encourage additional contributions (which you surely do) then you're demonstrably intelligent enough to know the best way to do that. And that ain't it.

Anyway, press on. I know I'm learning a few things here.


My first thought when reading the opening post was gee, this sounds like the Spinal Tap's amps going to eleven. But no, there seems to be more at work here. I know there are several musicians and audiophiles on the board and I hope some of them find this thread and "chime in". [Pun intended].

as far as coffin feeder
i`m all for debate but when some one takes that much time to list a whole bunch of reasons why `i m wrong and he does not have one solid
bit of evedence well then i would say that he is just attempting to debunk.

shoud I finish answering his questions? ,,,,because i will if i must.

I made this frequency table showing 2 octaves around the centre 'A' at 432, 439, 440 & 447 Hz as those have had mention here and I can't see any numerical pros or cons for any of those frequencies. I used 12 digit precision on 2^(1/12) which is evident in that the A's an octave above and below the centre A show no error at 2 digit precision at least so I can guarantee that the frequencies I show are far more accurate than any ear could detect (resolution of +/- 0.005Hz).

Mere temperature variations, atmosperic pressure (altitude & barometric pressure), air density, humidity plus the instruments warm up while being played, strings stretch etc etc etc.

The sort of precision that's required to 'nail' this magic tuning isn't going to be a practical thing to pursue - well not if the aim to be absolutely exact.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - a similar thing applies to the ear of the listener and all ears are unique (ears don't know a thing about maths either )


A. 216.00 219.50 220.00 223.50
A# 228.84 232.55 233.08 236.79
B. 242.45 246.38 246.94 250.87
C. 256.87 261.03 261.63 265.79
C# 272.14 276.55 277.18 281.59
D. 288.33 293.00 293.66 298.34
D# 305.47 310.42 311.13 316.08
E. 323.63 328.88 329.63 334.87
F. 342.88 348.43 349.23 354.78
F# 363.27 369.15 369.99 375.88
G. 384.87 391.10 392.00 398.23
G# 407.75 414.36 415.30 421.91
A. 432.00 439.00 440.00 447.00
A# 457.69 465.10 466.16 473.58
B. 484.90 492.76 493.88 501.74
C. 513.74 522.06 523.25 531.58
C# 544.29 553.11 554.37 563.18
D. 576.65 585.99 587.33 596.67
D# 610.94 620.84 622.25 632.15
E. 647.27 657.76 659.26 669.74
F. 685.76 696.87 698.46 709.57
F# 726.53 738.31 739.99 751.76
G. 769.74 782.21 783.99 796.46
G# 815.51 828.72 830.61 843.82
A. 864.00 878.00 880.00 894.00

reply to post by Parabol

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of you could understand then you would see that music and quantum math IS the same thing....period

as far as having no aducation well i should have said no FORMAL education.

much can be learned without going to school you know.
anyone can obtain a basic knowledge of quantim physics ..
you just need to educate yourself.

now i realize quantum physics is math/science and that music is just music to our ears and it appears that the two should not be related.....but they are .
now does this affect us as listeners and musicians....
on a quantum level....yes it does...exactly how...I`m not sure yet....

I am not sure what this means A-440 or A-432. Is this the note that instruments are tuned to? Why would Goebbels have wanted it to be 440, instead of 432? I mean, where can I find out more about what your are talking about. I tried a search, but all I really found was this thread. Maybe some more insight so I can catch up?
DocMoreau

reply to post by Maya432

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So what are the penalties that the NWO will impose on those who tune to alternate pitches?

reply to post by Pilgrum

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first of I need to know how you came up with these numbers.
and like I said with no formal math training i knew that eventually there would be numbers questions that i can`t answer.
I`m more of a conseptual design type thinker.
if your saying that its to accurate of a thing for us to hear..i disagree.
when we use 440 ..its in....tune...it is accurate enough for our ears.
and in our hearing range around 20hz to 20 kz is not very fast to compute.
as a matter of fact it is very slow info to process....when people say that its not accurate it just makes no sense.
ya try to tell stradivarious that his ears were not accurate and he tuned to 432 too.

reply to post by GT100FV

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hmmmmm good question.
because were not just talking about getting away from a bad frequency
we are also talking about letting the cat out of the bag as far as quantum
physics is concerned...
the ancients (plato and his gang)locked this info away for some reason...they did not want people to know..
lol....mabey they don`t want every tom dick and harry trying to make stargates in their basements......

Here's an interesting link with regards to pitch standards, none of which are as a result of a cospiracy to avoid A432. Even though A440 is the standard, you'll still see variations out there. It's certainly not enforced by the NWO or the WCW for that matter.

en.wikipedia.org...(music)