NWO is responsible for concert pitch A-440hz

pilgrum.......sorry for being hissy with you its just that this Coffin feeder guy is way to high on himself like a judge ,jury and executioner..

and he really managed to ring my bell so to speak...

our math just CANNOT explain this science...thats why the numbers
make no sense.
anyway I am sorry.

I don't even know why I'm posting on this thread again but here goes...

Your plea to the moderators to do something about Coffin Feeder is pointless because the only thing he did was remove your site link when he quoted you. For you to quote this post and remove the previous sentence would be the same thing. Seriously, I know we aren't on the same side here but he didn't do anything to harm your site or linking ability here, he just didn't repost it when he quoted you.

When you say "our math" what do you mean? If our math can't explain it then why have you linked to pages that explain your theory with math? I'm not calling you out I'm just saying that statement sounds very contradictory and needs clarification. And what numbers make no sense?

Now, I expect you to respond along the lines of "you don't understand this, it's all in the pages I've shown you". What I would like from you is a summary of what all of this is supposed to mean. You've given us a lot of links and random math but I'm not seeing how this is all comes together. The 432 produces better harmonics and overtones which coincide with frequencies in nature seems to be the basic idea. But I'm still not understanding the conspiracy aspect.

Honestly, person to person, everytime I've asked a clarifying question you've told me that you're just the messenger or that I don't understand it. I am sincerely asking you to explain how all of these things come together, in your own words, so that I can understand what you're trying to get at because we obviously aren't on the same wavelength.... or frequency

Is all the math just reinforcing that 432 produces higher quality sound? Why is it a conspiracy? etc...

hi Parabol
ok....fair enough questions.

You seem to kinda see that the 432 resonant thing is interesting which it is.......if I`m seeing any of this right it goes so deep into a science/spiritual
connection.(vortex math,spirals,dna,hebrew text and so much more)

as far as the 440 conspiracy...
its not gonna be as easy .
so far I just have a bit of mabeys/could be`s but "if" Goebels was involed then it merits further investigation.

I suck at explaining things....this I know..I`ll wiil attempt to improve.....

thanx
-Bobby





[edit on 30-12-2007 by Maya432]

ok....In my own words as best as I can with my understanding thus far

Apparently the math is based on the logarithmic spiral.
which has a trinary function

where there is no "0"
(this makes sense to me because ever since i was little I
thought it was so stupid to say that like 55x0=0
how can it be 0? but i realized I was asking the wrong question.

Does 0 even exist ?..............mabey should have been the question
(even the name itself suggest nothing.
if its nothing how can it be used to equate? ) interesting ......no?

these numbers always equate to 9 because 9 is the zero point.(the end-the omega point)
and part of the 432 connection is that all notes in
432 when you add up the digits the same way you do as with vortex based math they all add to 9

the numbers go up acordingly to the spirals sequence
1,2,4,8,7,5,1,2,4,8,7,5..ect...this sequence is a geometric pathway.
its seems that its the only numbers used and needed for this math.
do not confuse this with the fibonnaci sequence which is the growth rate sequence.
the 0 does not exist.
the 3, 6 are the pyramid shaped path to the tip/zero point(a result of the 1,2,4,8,7,5,path)and then to the 9
which is a result of the 3 and 6 vortex vector to the zero point/9.

and then goes to the next octave which is 1 all over again but since it is doubled in frequency it
now also represents in the normal math as the number 64
the sequence is the same for cells and computers too, its just like i think parabol said its just divisions of 2/doubleling
one cell doubles then 2 , 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 516, ect...
but instead of going to 16 we go to 7 which is the next number in the geometric path and then instead of 32 we go to 5 .
it uses a different definition of what we know as "Numbers"

from what I`ve seen this math has only one basic function which is to create the zero point.
which is what is also known as Hyper-space


And i spoke out of line when saying that normal math is flawed.
I should have said that is seems we have 2 different rules of math each required for
certain tasks ei. normal math for like theres 10 people in a room x5 rooms each with 10 people =50
(what a stupid way of putting it huh?...I still suck)
and Vortex Math... both very very different but seem to be related to our over all mathematic means
more to come soon
-Bobby

Here is another experiment from Youtube that I found interesting on 432hz.

I find this thread interesting and will do more research in the area.

um mabey I should not use the word Hyper-space..I think I`m getting ahead of myself there .
for now i`m gonna stick with the word vortex.....

Originally posted by Maya432
pilgrum.......sorry for being hissy with you its just that this Coffin feeder guy is way to high on himself like a judge ,jury and executioner..

and he really managed to ring my bell so to speak...

our math just CANNOT explain this science...thats why the numbers
make no sense.
anyway I am sorry.

It's no big deal
I've overstepped the pc rules of good-natured discussion myself and I don't suppose that ever happens here.

You'll be in no doubt about my stance on the concept of an 'NWO' by now but I'm still open to the idea of specific sequences having special properties. For the theory to stand up unaided it has to be provable by independant analysis and observation - the fact I or anyone else can't see the significance by analysis doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist, it may just simply mean more &/or better proof is required.

I still find myself needing large amounts of salt for theories from M Rodin & Co though.

I PM'd Maya and will attempt to take our personal differences private in the interest of the thread.


So, in the interest of research. Any explanation in your own words of what this vortex based math is, since right now, seems like your basic numerology, which is basically.. well, crap. Anyone can make numerology say anything.

Usually as a trick, I can have anyone give me a number thats supposed to have some sort of significance and use basic numerology tricks to show how they're actually the antichrist.

or do I have the concept here wrong? Haven't found much of anything really concrete on google about it.

I am compensating the music frequencies errors with extra sunlight.

432 = The Cosmic Key (Sun)
432 * 432 = Speed of Light in miles per second
432000 * 2 = Diameter of the Sun in miles
4320 = 72 X 60, or sixty degrees of precession in the Zodiac.
43200 = average number of seconds a day, having sun light (12 * 60 * 60)
432 + (mirror) 234 = 666 = Magic Square of the Sun

It is all bast on the 7 liberal arts.
trivium = grammar, logic, rhetoric
quadrivium = geometry, arithmetic, astronomy, music

Hopefully the New World Order does not change the Sun.

reply to post by CoffinFeeder

I know what you mean about numerology...it does seem flaky to me too.
but this does not seem to be the case...because it is a geometric
pathway that dictates this number sequence...

the geometric shape must cause certain wave probagations
within the circle that in turn cause a result...in the case of the vortex
its result would seem to be zero point .

still what does this have to do with music?.....I`m still not sure.
who knows mabey I got it backwards...mabey its dangerous to use 432.

mabey its just indifferent.....like it does nothing

or mabey I`m right about nwo.......I`m gonna do my best to find out.
all I think I know for sure is that the NWO seem to really suck..
so I just don`t trust it myself.
when i read the goebels thing.....i went hmmmmmmm? lol

reply to post by Parabol


The "I'm just a messenger" cop out is his way of saying- I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I read some stuff that said that A432 is better, so it must be so. There's nobody stopping the standard from changing to anything other than A440, to include the NWO. If enough people decide that it makes sense to do so, it will happen. The simple fact is that there is no demand for change, because the vast majority of musicians don't see that the system is broken, and in need of change. There's gonna have to be real quantifiable justification to do so, and not just some mystical mumbo jumbo given as the reason.

someone mentioned the doppler effect as a reason for singers to
sing flat on large stages..
this makes no sense...
ok...i`m on large stage and i`m the singer and the guitar and keyboards
are lets say 50 feet away.. now i do not have to wait for that sound to hit me..you know why?.
cause I have a MONITOR right in from of me pointing right in my face
and it gives me the signal virtally right away...there is no noticable delay.

Now if I was on a large stage with NO monitors then yes..things are gonna be screwed up for sure.just the time delay alone would make it vary hard to stay in time.

sometime i would leave the stage and play while walking into the audience...wow..... time delay almost makes me loose control over my timing with the band. so to me the dopple thing still doesn`t seem to be the problem.

one question for anyone who might know.
I thought the doppler thing was for moving objects and not stationary ones
Does anyone know if this is right .?
Not important ...,.I was just wondering.
thanx.

One of my Keyboard players was telling me that
you cannot take the 12 notes of the scale and break them into 12 equal parts.
because it is not equi-partition like we would think.
when I asked him to try to explain he said it was like the difference between the chromatic and diatonic scale...he was saying that in diatonic mode the notes are not all equal.
the only way i might be able to understand this mabey is when I look at the guitar neck the frets are all different sizes..
he said I was looking at it the wrong way.
but still assured me that the 12 notes are NOT equally partitioned.(this would mabey then account for
differences in all our numbers when we try to pin hz to every note
and we all keep getting different results.

reply to post by GT100FV
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thats a real cop out attutude ....
its easy for you say that I don`t understand...


remember
every song ,cd,movie,radio broadcast, live performance.almost every fixed tune instrument.
imagine just how hard it would be to actually change the standard to 432.
almost IMPOSSIBLE for sure.
so yes if it was NWO or not involved...then yes good luck. I agree there.

trying to find proof to warrant changing the whole system .....wow

so instead if insulting me and calling me names you could do a much better service by either looking into it and attempting to contribute or not getting involved at all.

reply to post by GT100FV
one more thing how can you say that wave progagation,dna sequences, golden mean/fibonnaci and the like are all
MUMBO JUMBO?
these are all practiced sciences...
so please explain if you desire to hold onto your own credibility.

In the Greek time there were also modifications on 432.
Dorian mode was using the standard 432
Ionian and Phrygian are close to 410
See:
www.harmonictheory.com...

reply to post by hawk123

interesting

thanx hawk.

i wonder why they have different resonant frequencies for different modes?
once i tune to any particular frequency then i can play all the 7 modes
and stiil stay in the frequency....so I``m a little confused.

dorian, phrygian, mixolidian, ionian, lydian, and I can`t remember the last 2

any way thanx again.




[edit on 31-12-2007 by Maya432]

How about this one?

Power that is generated in the USA 60hz. Most of the geeks, electricians and engineers know the familiar 60hz hum from speakers, TVs or any other audio device. If you turn the volume up with no music you can hear it sometimes or if you put a drill motor, hairdryer, blender anything that plugs in next to a powered speaker you can hear the 60hz hum.

So you take 60hz then....

Double that 120hz.

Double that 220hz.

Double that 440hz.

I think we are getting bombarded with engineered frequencies.

I believe 50 hz is used in Europe



[edit on 31-12-2007 by Realtruth]

although this has no real proof af anything
if you scroll down to the bottum and see all the different tunings
in the last 300 years or so..

you see every tuning possible except 432....Smells like a conspiracy to me?........hmmmmmmmmmm.

why has every other tuning been tried except 432?

I also found it strange that 432 is mentioned at the begining but only in a
voodoo mumbo jumbo flaky way.
makes it even more suspicious

www.mcgee-flutes.com...

[edit on 31-12-2007 by Maya432]

reply to post by Realtruth


WOW....good one

ok everyone is this starting to sound like a conspiracy yet?


[edit on 31-12-2007 by Maya432]