Ron Paul keeps white supremacist donation , page 6
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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 02:48 AM by turbokid
so thats all they could dig up huh? 500 bucks from a white pride guy.


i think its important to post some quotes from the article..

"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money,


you cant say the same thing about the other candidates, knowingly and happily taking huge donations from corporations and lobby groups. (some of which promote the benefit of a foreign country) And who was that big scam shop who donated a few hundred thousand to Bush... uh Enron i belive it was.

Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom."


Black said he supports Paul's stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants.
"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday.

"We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.


something i found funny is when it was found out that hillary was getting donations from chinatown and 1/3 of the donors could not be located the hillary campaign had this to say..

The Clinton campaign dismissed the L.A. Times story as derogatory to Chinese-Americans.

"We do not ethnically profile donors," growled Howard Wolfson. "Asian-Americans in Chinatown and Flushing have the same right to contribute as every other American."


at least paul contributors can be located.


its hardly a moral question to give back money donated from a citizen excercising his first amendment rights. where would it stop? "uh i dont agree with how you raise your children, heres your money back"


Lets say paul gave back the money to appease the PC crowd. on one had he has denounced racism (which he has already done anyways) and on the other he tells folks country wide, i will uphold your right to freedom of speech only if i agree with that speech..
thats retarded.
People support a candidate who best represents them, and i bet Paul has lost ZERO votes from the "whitepower" groups because of this. Because Pauls stance on the issues that matter to them havent changed, they dont expect him to support their ideology and get swastica tattoos and such but he best represents what they believe in. (and what alot of other americans belive in) so he will still get their votes, and their money.


i wonder:
what if it was found out that obama recieved money from "The New Black Panthers" an equally racist group as the white supremacist groups. would the smear be the same?




edit posted the same time as Hypntick





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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 03:22 AM by untouchable
reply to post by FredT



I'm not sure you understand the constitution in The United States ?? ......

Nothing is beyond personal rights!

Especially not ego or belief. You argument is weak at best.
It is unfair to attack a person because of an indirect association with another.
What is really funny...Clinton, Obama, Giuliani and all the rest have supporters just like this guy. Every one that has ever been in political office has.
The only differences here is that some but plug decided to make this public. If you really wanted to, you could look at campaign contributions from all candidates and you will find people like this guy all over the place.

Like I said , Weak at best.


reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 03:46 AM by C0le
When an elected official takes his oath of office, He takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, The Constitution protects the rights of ALL citizens not just the ones you agree with, For him to give this back would go against his principles, It would open up a bigger door for those trying to smear him to say he FLIP FLOPPED, Freedom of speech doesn't just protect that which you agree with, (who would denounce and try to shut someone they agree with up?) It's to protect unfavorable speech...

You can denounce the explanation all you want, it can be backed up with a long record of upholding the constitution.

A record NO other candidate has.




Ron Paul also accepts donations form 9/11 truthers, Does he believe in 9/11 conspiracies? No.

That didn't stop the media from attaching him to the truth movement though did it?

Should he return their donations because a lot of Americans don't like to hear what they have to say?

Doing so opens up the door for this type of thing, his campaign will be torn apart by the media trying to get him to give back donations from people they don't agree with...

This is what will turn out to be ANOTHER failed attempt to thwart his support, Just like before it won't work, This is ALL the dirt they can get on him (Someone else's beliefs), maybe you should start questioning that.



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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 06:51 AM by xEphon
reply to post by IAF101



Please. Obviously racism is not something that is commendable but it is not the role of a President or someone running for President to pass judgement and point a finger down on ANY citizen. Once he takes the oath of office he is required to uphold the law in an unbiased way towards all citizens. There is no room for morality or ethics where this is concerned.]

That is perhaps the most warped view of a president ever. A President has every right to condemn groups like the KKK and other organizations that are counter-productive to the USA and its goals and to decent society at large. The fact that you are saying that the President shouldnt be saying anything about them is almost as if you are defending the KKK and the like. That is ridiculous and absurd position.


I never said a President cannot have a view of what he believes is right and wrong and I am definately not defending the KKK.
A President's only job is to uphold the consititution which in itself is just and moral. It is not his job to cherry pick morality in relation to the consitution. It would be UNconstitutional to limit Freedom of expression of any member of society in which the President represents. Furthermore, giving the donation back would also impede on a persons ability to participate in the political process. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR MORALS THERE.


To claim that there is no place for morality and ethics in the Presidents office is perhaps the most shocking of all statements and is utterly damning to his candidacy. It describes the principles of an immoral and unethical president who mechanically follows the rules like some mindless automaton. America doesnt need a robot and a rule-book preacher, presidential office is about the values and principles of the people of this country to steer this nation to greater prosperity and happiness, to espouse american values and be a role model for Americans everywhere.


No what America needs is a President who follows the consitution regardless of his personal tastes and opinions. It's really that simple.


If you fail to see that your position is utterly untenable morally, ethically and runs contrary to everything this nation stands for that you in your very support of Ron Paul are a bane on his candidacy for I and many like me wouldnt want to be associated with anybody who believes that it is okay to take money from the KKK to become president of the USA.


If you fail to see that this nation stands for every citizen regardless of personal beliefs - wheter they be racist, abortionist, homosexual, muslim or christian and that a KKK member has every right to donate as any other group that you dont personally agree with, than you deserve the Fascist government that you are preaching for.

I'm done with this. Northing more can be said to appease the rabid anti RP crowd that hasn't already.
Happy Holidays!

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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 09:42 AM by Areal51
reply to post by FredT



Well, gee. Anybody remember Dan Quayle? Anybody?


reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 11:39 AM by tyranny22
reply to post by FredT



A terrorist organization?

Sure. Why not. Better to take their money than to let them buy more munitions with it.

I can see you're really reaching for anything on Paul.

Your candidate voted to go into Iraq which resulted in hundreds of thousands of death and your trying to incrimiate Ron Paul for taking money from whomever wants to donate it?

Get a life.

6 pages of replies, yet not one flag. I think this pretty much sums up your OP and what people think of your slanderous remarks.

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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 11:45 AM by FredT
reply to post by untouchable



Hmmm, im actually well versed in the constitution and its tennants and processes. So Despite your attempt to make a strawman out of my first sentance and clearly ignoring the rest of the paragraph I will refresh your memory eh?

It was well within the rights of the neo nazi to make the donation. It was also WELL within pauls rights to either refuse the money OR return it once its source was known.

Because you seemed to miss it the first time I will repeat it again and bold it for you

It was well within the rights of the neo nazi to make the donation. It was also WELL within pauls rights to either refuse the money OR return it once its source was known.



reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 11:55 AM by FredT
Originally posted by tyranny22
A terrorist organization? Sure. Why not. Better to take their money than to let them buy more munitions with it.


Ah yes once again the fallicy of logic rears its ugly head. Far better to let Paul keep the money from unsavory sources. Never mind the ethics and morality of the issue.


I can see you're really reaching for anything on Paul.


Nah no reaching needed. The attitude of yourself, many of the other posters and the Paul campaign in accepting the donation did not require a reach at all.

Your candidate voted to go into Iraq which resulted in hundreds of thousands of death and your trying to incrimiate Ron Paul for taking money from whomever wants to donate it?


Now who's reaching. Kindly show me where I said I voted for the current president or which candidate for president I support? If your candidate want the money from a neo nazi and his organizations support that his CHOICE. However, don't expect me to sit by why you and the rest of the 'Paul Army" attempt to spin the donation of a neo nazi as some sort of show of intergrity etc.

Ethics and morality.


Get a life.


I have one actually. They were on sale at the WalMart down the street. Once of those price drop things. Morals and ethics were in short supply, but I hear If you go on down to Stormfront, you can pick up a second hand set for a meer $500.00 US.


6 pages of replies, yet not one flag. I think this pretty much sums up your OP and what people think of your slanderous remarks.


Yeah the 100+ replies are basically nothing eh?

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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 12:02 PM by apc
reply to post by FredT


Ethics are indeed the issue. Ethics like acknowledging and respecting everyone right to their own opinion. You still haven't answered my response to this.

Denying people a voice because of their opinion is unacceptable. If you want to go that route, then I think every dime Clinton and Edwards have accepted should be returned because in my opinion those donors are the scum of the earth.

Do you still support that logic?


reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 12:03 PM by FredT
reply to post by gabriel5578



The issue is not that someone donated to his campaign. Its the fact that once the source became apparent he simply refused to return it.
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