Ron Paul keeps white supremacist donation , page 2
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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 07:27 PM by FredT
reply to post by NGC2736



I think it goes beyond a persons rights.

Yes that man no matter how twisted his beliefs are is entitled to "Try" to make a donation. However it is also the right AND responsability of the Paul campaign to look at where his money is comming from.

If he takes money from white supremists, what about NAMBLA? Hizbollah? or any of the other groups most here find repugnant.

He and his campaign can make up whatever reason they want as to why they are going to keep it, but this will cost him in the long run far more than the $500 he got from this guy. It speaks to charecter, it speak to integrity. Yes ALL politicians take money from groups etc, but this guy is being placed on a pedistal by himelf and his supporters as our savior. Seems to me he is pretty much part and parcel like the rest of them.

Perhaps he is all hype and little substance? perhaps this man of the people act is simply that an act designed to raise his profile and generate $$$$. What he does not spend will stay with his campaign comittie and he can use that down the road on other endeavors.


reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 07:27 PM by IAF101
reply to post by Maya432



Yeah right~!

The Ron Paul Internet militia has distorted all the phone in and online polls by essentially bombarding these sites with pro-Ron Paul votes. Now this might make the Ron Paul camp all warm and fuzzy on the inside but the reality of the matter is far from it. None of the independent polls conducted by GALLOP, Rasmussen, Zogby etc concur with any of these online polls at all.

The True candidate is not someone who takes any money from people who are reprehensible, be it 5 cents or $500.



reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 07:29 PM by FredT
reply to post by grimreaper797



No I don't expect them to screen every donor. HOWEVER when revelations like this hit, I expect more the "eh... were keeping it"


reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 07:31 PM by spacedoubt
reply to post by IAF101



Do you have something against common folk using the available media for their own gain? As opposed to Large corporations using the media for THEIR gain?

It's organized, but disseminated. It's much bigger than Old Media is admitting.


reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 07:42 PM by NGC2736
Originally posted by JacKatMtn
reply to
post by NGC2736



I understand your post, and agree with it to some extent, but you cannot deny that Paul will be hammered to oblivion by ALL sides on this issue in the MSM, and like it or not it does have a big effect.

That is why I don't understand keeping this contribution.

It is purely politics, you have to weigh that into the equation no matter how much we don't like the way the game is played right now.

Most voters don't spend the time like we do here analyzing the candidates, a story like this will be burned into the minds of potential voters by the MSM.





I included your whole post for a reason. First, yes, this will likely become a soundbite issue. Something to "hammer' RP with. And what a trivial point it will be.

But I must disagree that this "is purely politics". This is right and wrong, not a political game. This isn't the Superbowl. Why should someone who has stood for the right of the people to speak now bow to PC because some of those people are scum? What happens when it's you that becomes the "scum"? Do you want him to then wash his hands of you?

Ron Paul has taken the legal and moral high ground here, even if political correctness blinds 90% of the people from seeing it. Just as in other issues, like the Iraq war, he is unpopular for standing by a principle.

And we need to get past the idea that "it's purely politics", because it isn't. politics is a game, and we've had enough games. This is reality. We don't like "the game" because we know it's rigged. As it stands now, the talking heads get to decide what is right and what is wrong just as much as that "damned piece of paper" we started out with.

We need to stop buying their game.



reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 08:01 PM by JacKatMtn
reply to post by NGC2736



I do understand your principles and your passion to get our country back, I feel the same, but this is a war, one which WE usually do not have a voice in, someone who stands on some of the same principles that we cherish.

When is the last time you saw anything positive on candidate Paul in the MSM besides the report of his record breaking internet fundraising?

The reports I saw did not once mention what he stood for, most just said he has alot of young college aged student backing.

You and I know this to be far from the truth as I see yard signs and talk here and across the internet supporting this candidate. He has a growing and potentially successful candidacy.

He is making progress, even without the support of the MSM.

But make no mistake, Paul cannot win without some MSM exposure, and I am talking of the good exposure, not the likely hammering associated with keeping a contribution from someone who helped David Duke get elected in Louisiana, let alone taking the top position in the KKK after Duke.

This guy also served federal time, can this contributor even vote?

It is not worth the risk to Paul's campaign to keep the money.

It is too important to those who like his message to see it thrown away on a measly $500.

Is that going to make the Paul campaign backers feel better when his campaign fails and another member of the DC political machine gets sworn in in 09?

Paul didn't win but he had principles

I don't see how anyone could feel good knowing this was the cause of his failure, when it can be avoided now very easily.


reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 08:12 PM by NGC2736
reply to post by JacKatMtn



Jack, your right, $500 is a drop in the bucket. And yes, it would be a sad day if such a thing cost him the presidency.

But where does he need to draw the line on PC? the $500 donation? the IRS? withdrawal from Iraq? where?

Once you allow the voices of power to dictate where you stand, they never stop. Yes, it may hurt his chances. But I for one would rather stand with a man that NEVER let circumstances dictate his position, than one who did it because it was the politically best move to win.

I guess I value honor above winning at all costs.


reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 08:38 PM by NGC2736
reply to post by NewWorldOver



I am proud to be a part of the Ron Paul Internet Militia. I have sent thousands of personal e-mails, I have sent thousands of questions to MSM, And I have spent a lot of time online recruiting.

But wait, "they" do too. So why am I a bad guy?
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