Ron Paul keeps white supremacist donation , page 15
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reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 12:51 AM by seagull
reply to post by shooterbrody



It won't matter if he's the second coming of Abe Lincoln. Or the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's the appearance of questionable morality in the acceptance of this money.

Why won't that sink in, people? No one of us taking him to task is accusing him of being racist, or espousing racism, or that he would be/will be under undue influence because of it. Anyone can make a mistake, he should have returned the money with a smile and said thanks but no thanks. The furor would never have happened, or at least would have died abourning. I'd be here saying what a good guy, rather than having a question or two about his and his campaigns ethics.

It's all about appearances, rightly or wrongly. He appears to be willing to take money from any source. So how does this make him different from Hillary again?


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 12:54 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by TheWalkingFox



Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by jsobecky



Trouble is, it wasn't a donation from an organization, it was from an individual. An individual who's stated reasons for donating are because of Ron Paul's stances on taxes and the border, and not any race issues (Well... given that a surprising number of Americans don't consider the border to be a race issue...)

I bet a lot of checks from our fellows here would be sent back if such is the case.

I don't see the difference between an individual or an organization when it comes to donations. Neither do their "stated" reasons for donating mean anything. They could be lying, and probably are.

Most, if not all, candidates receive donations from all sorts of sources. They have to scrutinize the sources, and refuse donations where appropriate. It happens all the time.

It's not the fact that Black decided to donate to RP. RP has no control over that. What matters is what RP did when he was made aware of the donation.

If $500 means so much to the RP campaign, it makes me question the validity of those so-called record breaking donation amounts.



reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 12:59 AM by seagull
reply to post by FredT



You and I seem to be, along with Jsobecky, the only ones saying this. It just reflects badly on him.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:02 AM by intrepid
Originally posted by seagull
reply to
post by FredT



You and I seem to be, along with Jsobecky, the only ones saying this. It just reflects badly on him.


Only because you want it to imo. I don't know much about the guy but some love him, some hate him, even within his own party. That says something. He's dangerous to certain interests enough to make a mountain out of an anthill.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:11 AM by seagull
reply to post by intrepid



We're not saying he is a white supremist, Intrepid. We're saying that to avoid this non issue all together, he should have returned the money.

It just plain doesn't look good, when you take money from sources like this, whether legal or not. I'm not sure how else I can say this. I know he's not a white supremist, his campaign finance people goofed...plain and simple. If he'd sent back the check, there would have been no issue. Now there is an issue...for better or for worse.



reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:14 AM by FredT
Originally posted by shooterbrody
LOL Now FredT is gonna smear RP with the"its all about the money" line of thinking.
Some money facts for ya Freddy...



Rather than rely on your propaganda, how about his true voting record
www.vote-smart.org...

But then again who really cares and why is it relevent to his decison to keep the neo nazi's money?


How about some money facts for you as well


Yeah why raise taxes when he would get hit hard eh?
www.opensecrets.org...

For a "man of the people" he is rather well off. Lot of investment in gold and gold producing companies but that is way off topic

But again, please explain how his voting record relates to his acceptance of money from a neo nazi?????


Move along FredT nothing to see here.


Im sure you would like me too, but hey where is the fun in that?

But the bottom line is that you guys have been making an issue over "its only $500.00 implying it IS a money issue. As far as I am concerned the donation amount is irrelevant to the discussion that its a moral and ethical issue.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:15 AM by intrepid
reply to post by seagull



Oh, I got that but if you look at the money raised by the big boys, that includes Hillary , you have to know there are many undesirable people that have donated but this is blown out of proportion for a reason.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:21 AM by seagull
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by seagull
reply to
post by FredT



You and I seem to be, along with Jsobecky, the only ones saying this. It just reflects badly on him.


Only because you want it to imo. I don't know much about the guy but some love him, some hate him, even within his own party. That says something. He's dangerous to certain interests enough to make a mountain out of an anthill.


Honestly, Intrepid, I couldn't care less about the man. I think he was a non entity before, and he'll be one again after the Primary season ends. Do I think he's a good man? Probably. Do I think he'd be a good President? Don't know. I know he tries to portray himself as a "man of the people" type. How many of us would keep the money once we knew where it came from? I wouldn't...would you, or the others here in, who think its not a big deal?

This, in essence, boils down to a question of owning up to a mistake made by someone in the Paul campaign. Instead of owning up to it, returning the money, and moving on, they spun it. Phooey...how's he different again?


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:21 AM by jsobecky
Originally posted by seagull
reply to
post by FredT



You and I seem to be, along with Jsobecky, the only ones saying this. It just reflects badly on him.


I think that is because there are so many RP supporters on ATS. So it's understandable that the majority would come to his defense.

But if you phrased it like this:

"Your Poli-Sci professor poses this question to you: Should a candidate accept donations from sources which are racist, sexist, or discriminatory in some objectionable way?"

then I think most people would answer differently.

There's too much vested interest here to have an objective debate.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:24 AM by FredT
Originally posted by Navieko
FredT -- I really thought you were smarter than this. You've clearly showed your lack of knowledge on Ron Paul by saying "he's all about the money"...


Ron paul supporters in this very thread have said it and I simply repeated it and ran with it. Responces from its only $500 dollars etc. etc etc.

And about your ridiculous assesment that Mr. Paul had no point to make, or moral obligation to prove, by rejecting the $500? Open your damn eyes!


Dude go easy on the damms eh? What point is he proving here? he cares not about getting money from neo nazi's. He has made it very clear that money is they key. So what if he can spend it better. The moral and ethical implications here are that as long as the money is green donate away.


The only damn reason he's not giving a measling 500 bucks away, is to prove his bloody points... That the constitution gives everyone the right to legally contribute/vote.


Yes, and the very same constitution gives him the right to NOT accept the money as well. please show me the passage in the Constituion and the Bill of Rights that says he HAS to accept the money or he will deny the neo nazi's right to free speech and expression.


Being a moderator on the biggest alternative news website -- I'm shocked that you cannot see this... truly am.


What see that the candidate in question refused to return a donation from aneo nazi and raised moral and ethical questions? Is this how we should treat ALL question about Paul and his intentions and actions? Don't ask question, don't dare raise an objection.

In as far as "not seeing" you could just as easily fit in that category.


I'll say it right now... I'm sorry, I know I'm coming off as extremely pissed off... but it's because I am, and don't take it all too personally.


Never have never will Unless you say something about my mother

Because I honestly believe if you put your ego aside, you'll learn that you are/were far from the truth in this case.


My large ego is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with this topic. I still fail to see why NONE of the supporters on the thread even think this IS NOT an moral and ethical issue.



[edit on 12/21/07 by FredT]


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:27 AM by UnbiasedObservations
reply to post by FredT



There's no amount of money that he could accept that I'd be concerned with as long as his integrity is not affected by the donation. It's that simple. I don't care who the money comes from if it's going to be used for the right cause. This money isn't going to be used to oppress black people. This money wasn't generated from the oppression of black people. This guy doesn't get paid to lynch black people(far as I know). This isn't blood money that's being accepted.

I see no reason for him to give back the money, other than to appease ignorant people who can't see that Paul taking money from a racist does not in any way shape or form support racism.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:29 AM by intrepid
reply to post by FredT



But that's the American way Fred. MONEY!!! If it wasn't why would they gauge a candidates strength by the donations received?



reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:34 AM by FredT
reply to post by intrepid



Oh I agree but most candidates when faced with this type of issue would have returned the money ASAP. The fact that he chose to keep it is the issue here.

Throughout this thread I have said more times than I can count: Its not Pauls fault the donation was sent his way. There is ZERO evidence that he solicted the donation etc. But the refusal to return it raises these ethical and moral issues.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:44 AM by intrepid
reply to post by FredT



You would be more comfortable if the nazi used that $500 to promote hate?
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