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Ron Paul keeps white supremacist donation

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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
Ahhh, but his actions back up his words.


How many other candidates have the privilege of saying this!

If you choose not to research him, that's fine by me. However, don't you dare try to tell me things about this man that are categorically untrue.

His actions dont back up his words, he takes money from Nazi's and the like to get ahead in the presidential race. He claims to espouse American traditional values but those are not the values he demonstrates.

He comes off more as a cult leader than a presidential candidate.


I would find your retort insulting if it weren't for the fact that you haven't even taken the time to research what Paul really stands for. What good is it of me to try and educate one so unwilling to find out. It appears that you've made up your mind.

Good for you! You've once again demonstrated for the rest of us how doomed the political proess is by those who wish to not educate themselves about a candidate while, at the same time, claim to know what a particular candidate stands for based on a story that is designed to get exactly the kind of reaction out of you that whomever planted it at this time wanted.

I can only hope that Paul supporters outnumber everyone else 10:1 on election day.

Why don't you look up the word freedom and get back with me. Until then, I'm going to have some more Kool-Aid.

[edit on 20-12-2007 by Freenrgy2]




posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:16 PM
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reply to post by last time here
 

Being white there are a lot of placed I cant go outside of the US without being hurt and when it comes to history I know my fair share. As far as hitler goes (according to what they teach us) He wanted a blond hair blue eyed race the irony is his lack of blond and blue.... but are we all human beings yes..cant we have babies with other races yes we can do this because we are human beings does this baby come out human yes.. But I have news for you so are dogs. Dogs are all the same but if you mix a bull dog with a #zu what do you get :p kidding kidding but you get my point...does that make one race of dog better than the other no in fact if you mix lets say a german shepard with a yellow lab you will have one smart faithful dog. You are of many races and ethnisities...you are fortunate cause you have all the traits of the races above. But the races are different its proven that there are genetic differences between all the races...serc.carleton.edu...
but once again im going to say this again because i dont think some people are smart enough to get this and that is I DO NOT feel one race is superior to another. But you should be able to be proud of where u come from and what
your race has done without being called a bigot.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:20 PM
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And this pick isnt from the Biggest Loser its actually screech from saved by the bell.....



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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o.k. kid............
hopefully, age and experience will temper you.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
And this pick isnt from the Biggest Loser its actually screech from saved by the bell.....


You tell 'em Screech!



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:28 PM
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Im not screech I thought it was a funny pic so I...well.....ok I guess no one gets it....



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:39 PM
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Maybe there could be an ulterior motive with regard to the "Ron Paul Dollar" and the "Stormfront story". maybe the same people that have been so eager to ignore, ridicule, defame and spread guilt via association do have many issues of "power" at stake. Maybe these same people have a large amount of energy invested in promoting those candidates that least oppose the expanded expenditure of the Intelligence secret societies, Military, Corporation monopolies and just all around police state fear based control agenda of the quasi-socialist imperialist fascist psychological conformity enforcement movement. Yes, there maybe considered a movement currently reaching for control over the media and various governmental functions to dismantle constitutional based "rights" created through the blood and sweat of many generations whom have longed to be free as Americans did during the era of 1776. People are so pathetic today since they no longer even flinch over the electronic chains and eyes being positioned upon them, assuming nothing really matters since we are supposedly helpless to do anything about this situation. Maybe some people just gave up and want the rest of us to quit just the same, to roll over and play dead, well, I'm not gonna roll over and accept this smear garbage for the "red herring" that one maybe able to ascertain from the comments from the supposedly "sane" people in these forums. Most of you tend to lash out at one another over absolutely foolish matters, especially this matter. If you attempt to help people in this society you are a threat to the control freaks that have to have everyone thinking the same belief system. Maybe these "beliefs" are what has ripped up and destroyed so much of what we as a beacon of justice came to be revered and hailed as from the vantage of the rest of the world. We stood up to an aggressor and yet today blinded by our own short sightedness fail to grasp the implications on the world stage of our actions towards the rest of the world that feels more or less confused now as to what our motives are and wonder if there might be something wrong with America. The subterfuge after 911 pretty much sank most people into a state of shock and despair, maybe the time has come to stand up and stand for something rather than flip flap name calling about whether or not Ron Paul maybe some kind of supporter of opinions that most people find hard to understand, let alone even bother to wonder why someone might have a opinion that maybe contrarian to the majority. Just because something like the mythology of Zeus maybe not real doesn't mean that it should be censored from people's eyes or ears. Maybe people that support Ron Paul or any of the candidates believe in Unicorns and Elves, but does that mean that Obama or Clinton or Paul do because somebody that supports them does? Such logic overgeneralizes a complicated issue such as the 1st amendment and the "concept" of freedom of speech. Maybe life should not be considered so easily simplified? Maybe the simple truth maybe not so simple.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:46 PM
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Screech wanted money to show his johnson, right? Don't know what happened there, don't want to know either.


Anyway...yea... why would it matter that Paul took money from a racist? I mean, unless Paul is racist or going to conform to racist ideology because of this donation, I don't see the problem. Who the hell found out about this racist anyway? I read in here Paul received 35,000 donations that same day and wasn't aware of this guy. Did someone take the time to look through all those donations just to find this kind of "dirt"?



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 10:50 PM
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LOL Now FredT is gonna smear RP with the"its all about the money" line of thinking.

Some money facts for ya Freddy...

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

So yeah RP is all about the money.

Move along FredT nothing to see here.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 11:05 PM
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He had some good intentions. But he blew it. He might not be a racist, but he blew it. But let's face it. He wouldn't have won even if he had been smarter, politically-speaking. The power people wouldn't have let it happen.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 


There are 3 races the Caucasoid (European or "white"), the Mongoloid (which includes the Chinese, Inuit or Eskimo, and Native Americans), the Negroid (black Africans) I am proud to be a caucasoid. The rcontributions the "whites" have made to this world is immense. The white made this the civilized world and invented many of the things that we use and do today. Im proud of that. Now does that mean that other races have not contributed to society or does this mean that other races havent invented important things of course not. I know what your doing your trying to back me into some corner to make me out to be a biggot and you cant do it. I am not a believer that the only thing different about humans is the color of ones skin. From your avatar I would assume u r asian...you may or may not be but asians have a great deal to be proud of and you should be proud of who you are and dont forget it. If being proud of who u r makes a u a racist then you know what I dont know what to say.


If i wanted to call you a racist or a bigot, I would. I tend to not mince words. Obviously though you don't regard the English language much of an achievement, huh?


What I'm saying is that "whites" is a very, very general term, especially when applied in the context of America. I find the idea of a man of Scandinavian accent laying claim to the achievements of Rome as goofy as I would an American black of Mandingo descent trying to pass himself as an inheritor of Shaka Zulu, know what I mean?



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 11:46 PM
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FredT -- I really thought you were smarter than this. You've clearly showed your lack of knowledge on Ron Paul by saying "he's all about the money"... which leads me to believe you haven't looked into his entire record and history. That means you're making far out assumptions based on the fact that in your opinion, Ron Paul did himself harm by not giving $500 back. It wouldn't be so bad if you had just stated you thought he made the wrong choice in doing so, but nope -- you even have the nerve to go and make ridiculous accusations based on this ONE incident... that Ron Paul is 'no better then the others', 'only cares about the money', 'is a bloodsucking leeche' etc, etc.

That's quite the freaking leap.


And about your ridiculous assesment that Mr. Paul had no point to make, or moral obligation to prove, by rejecting the $500? Open your damn eyes!
The only damn reason he's not giving a measling 500 bucks away, is to prove his bloody points... That the constitution gives everyone the right to legally contribute/vote. That obviously doesn't mean that everyone must have exactly the same beliefs or integrity in order to do so. I don't know how one could find it so hard to accept that Ron Paul genuinely believes (as I'm sure the majority of the population) that keeping the money out of a white supremacist's hands, and instead, towards his message of liberty and freedom... is a bad thing. To most it would be the obvious thing, and the most moral thing. If you believe it should be different just because he's running for president, then YOU'RE the one that needs to remove you're line of thinking from the mainstream party line.

Being a moderator on the biggest alternative news website -- I'm shocked that you cannot see this... truly am.

I'll say it right now... I'm sorry, I know I'm coming off as extremely pissed off... but it's because I am, and don't take it all too personally. It's just when I truly believe Ron Paul is the last hope, of fixing the status quo -- seeing pathetic stories like this get so much attention... it tends to bring the negative emotions all out of me.

If I had one request, it'd be for you to just do a bit more reading into the background of Ron Paul. Because I honestly believe if you put your ego aside, you'll learn that you are/were far from the truth in this case.

[edit on 20/12/07 by Navieko]



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
It pretty clear it is about the money. Seems Mr. paul is no different that the rest of the bloodsuckers running.


Yes, Ron Paul is a cashcow, a bloodsucker. That's what's going on here...

It's 500 dollars.
It was from a donator that Ron Paul has 0 affiliation with.
It was never his websites job to do background searches on each donator because, surprise: he believes in our constitutional right to keep the internet a neutral place.

So ... are we really supposed to believe that Ron Paul is so money-hungry and reckless that he will keep a whole 500 dollars compared to his TWELVE+ MILLION in completely neutral online donations? Because I have a problem warping my logic that much without breaking it. Look at the candidates who are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars from corporations, or better yet, ignore them. It's all Ron Paul in this race.

[edit on 20-12-2007 by NewWorldOver]



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
Give me a list of who donated to each canidate and I promise you Ill find some real racists in there on all sides white black asian makes no difference.



I'll take that bet, but first you have to come up with a list of "canidates"



..do we make each canidate take them all back....This is america dude neo nazi or not he still has rights.....if you want to shut them down shut down BET channel and the Black Panther Movement while you are at it. They are scum all of them but they have rights.


Sure they have rights, as do the "canidates".

The right of refusal.


* funny how two-way streets have a higher fatality rate *

 
[to add followup]

[edit on 20-12-2007 by Annie Mossity]



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by NGC2736
Did anyone read my post, or is everything these days just knee jerk emotion?

Has the mental level fell so low that not a single person can "get" the concept that no matter how personally repulsive these people may be, they still have a right, by our Constitution, to be a part of the overall process in any way that is legal under the laws of the land?

How ignorant of the real law of representative government has everyone become?

It's not a matter of excluding any particular group from the political process. Black is absolutely allowed to cast his vote. Nobody, however, is obligated to accept money from him.

Why should RP give the $500 back? Because otherwise, he associates himself with the philosopy of Mr. Black. Lie down with dogs and you're bound to get fleas, etc. He should be counseled to avoid donations from NAMBLA also, for the same reason.

RP's advisers flubbed this one, imo.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 12:07 AM
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Trouble is, it wasn't a donation from an organization, it was from an individual. An individual who's stated reasons for donating are because of Ron Paul's stances on taxes and the border, and not any race issues (Well... given that a surprising number of Americans don't consider the border to be a race issue...)

I don't like Ron Paul. I think he's a kook, and yes, I do believe he's a racist, albeit a passive one. But I gotta tell you honest, I see no reason for him to send this money back, unless you think he should screen the beliefs of each and every donor to his campaign? I bet a lot of checks from our fellows here would be sent back if such is the case.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
I don't like Ron Paul. I think he's a kook, and yes, I do believe he's a racist, albeit a passive one.


Just curious -- what exactly is it that has made you think he's a "kook" and a "passive racist"?

Do tell...



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by Palasheea
Let me tell you how the cow ate the cabbage. Ron Paul set the table for defeat by accepting that donation.

For those of you supporters of his campaign, it's like a slap in the face and if I were you I would be seriously shopping around for another candidate that's more worthy of your support because this one has just proved to everyone that he has no interest in even being one of the top Republican candidates in this race.

He sounds very self-destructive to me... too bad.


Your opinion sounds foolish to me.
I pity the fool who don't still love Ron Paul over some trivial MSM propaganda blown way out of proportion. In fact I will try even harder to push support for RP just out of principle now. Im deeply offended that a bunch of media whores would target such a great man with all this mud slinging and never once give him one ounce of the credit and recognition he deserves. Shame on you all.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 12:42 AM
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This is hilarious. 14 pages on a cheque that "came in the mail". $500 out of how much? Millions?

Man, you guys will reach until the socket pops to prove your own stance, won't you. :shk:



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by SButlerv2
P.S It was great to see Mr Cavuto get pounded.


about the only thing you and I agree upon. Its always nice to see pompus talking heads taken down a peg or three.


So you agree that Ron Paul took Cavuto "down a peg or three", even though Cavuto was supporting your "cause" by throwing it in his face? If I didn't know any better, I'd think that you actually believe RP handled the situation well...

I find it quite telling that the most vehement attacks are coming from people stating things like:



People keep telling me to "see what paul stands for". Now I may not have gone to his website and read....


And:



This is the first time I've ever seen Ron Paul talking...


Yet they want to attack viciously without educating themselves on his voting record, or his political beliefs. :shk:

If you've done your homework and still don't agree with the man, by all means, fire away; however, if you havn't researched the man, don't form your entire opinion based on an ad hominem, and over-hyped, media blitz of a non-issue. This was a private citizen's small donation from months ago. Not a large donation from a special interest group with actual influence.

Earlier I stated that; "The sad part is that people are truly buying into this". I'd like to retract that. The saddest part is that, in an attempt to slur a candidate over a minor donation by a private citizen, a hatemonger has recieved more nationwide advertising than a mere $500 could have ever bought him. I'd imagine that, thanks to Fox & CNN, his site traffic is booming right now. :shk:


Originally posted by IAF101
His actions dont back up his words...


This clearly shows that you have not bothered to look at his voting record.


Originally posted by IAF101
he takes money from Nazi's and the like...


"Nazi's"?


Do you have some unknown evidence that there's been more than just Black? Who encompasses this "and the like", and when did this switch to pluralized "Nazi's"? Also, do you have photographs of him (Ron Paul) personally taking the money? Here I assumed that it was just some staffer opening envelopes, and stuffing generic thank you letters in an office somewhere, but you seem to know that Paul personally took the money...



Originally posted by IAF101
He claims to espouse American traditional values but those are not the values he demonstrates.


Again, this clearly shows that you havn't looked into his voting record at all. Really, if you are of voting age, you owe it to yourself to actually research all of the candidates before jumping to conclusions regarding any of them.

[edit on 12/21/07 by redmage]



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