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Congressmans Brother Found Dead (Kucinich)

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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 01:51 AM
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I have a question, its a pretty simple one. Its only one word....why?

Why kill the brother of somebody who most people neither heard of or can even pronounce the name of. The only time this guys name rings a bell is when I saw him on comedy centrals daily show pulling a mini version of himself out of his pocket and looking like a pyschopath. In saying that. Why would anyone try to kill him?

Why? It's beyond all reason. You want to send a message, there are alot better ways. Hell Im sure the mail works pretty good still. Postage stamp. Phone calls work. You are the government, remember, so you are the ones monitering it anyway.

Lets be reasonable....a 52 year old man dies of a heart attack. Something that kills people EVERYDAY. "But its unexpected"...well hears a news flash....WHO EXPECTS TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK? Do people say "man, looks like you are going to have a heart attack today"...no, its a freaking heart attack, of course it will be unexpected. If its expected, that means he knows its going to happen.

Use some common sense, for the love of all things intelligent.



I now declare this a disaster zone. What is the name of your waiter?... cause you just got served!
thisthread.justgotowned.com...

BABA DBAR!

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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 01:56 AM
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I love it, i love the way the stars immediately jump out.
I swear, some poeple have bands of accounts they use to log off and log on and star their own threads, it cracks me up.

And thanks for not even responding reasonably to any points put forward.


I specially like yours rock puck

I explain how it would be logical to conduct and investigation and keep your mind open to suspicous happenings regarding the death of his brother and your reply

'' not logical ''

?

that proves you have absolutley no desire what so ever to comprehend the possiblity that perhaps, he was killed as a message to his brother to
''shut the hell up''

add the stars boys, keep adding them up.
the more your dont even bother replying to peopels valid points the more obvious it becomes.

People can disagree as much as they please, so long as they explain, and reply to my points.

I stated why I believe its suspicous, and I feel quite warranted in this.
Dont back me, either way I dont care.
The governments curropt, and you dont need a murdered brother to see that!



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:02 AM
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reply to Agit8dChop


I gave you a star, just so you wouldn't feel left out.

Now to be fair, I don't think your concerns ARE warranted. I understand where your coming from, granted, but its common from a place in your mind thats run amongst with unicorns, gnomes, trolls, Lord Xenu, and other wild imagination run amok creatures.

1) Theres no evidence of fowl play.

and

2) The person involved is a nobody that poses no real threat to the government, nor warrants any action against him.

It just seems like a hard strive to try to make a conspiracy out of nothing. It's essentially like a bunch of chicken littles running around, shouting conspiracy this and conspiracy that, watering down the general quality of the forum, and possibly society in general.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:04 AM
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Listen man...

I know how star envy can get.. ti can be a dibilitating disease.. and just to show good faith and that hey.. we can be friends even though I side with rationality and you choose fantastic criminal plots by top government officials against the brother of a congressman no one has heard of, I think we can set these differences aside...

And I gave you a shiny blue star. Your own, to believe what you wish, and if you want, I will star you again, because every member who does not believe in this "assassination" has a few accounts to star ourselves.


Just remember.. your post is not as good as how long your line of stars is, and just because you have a weee little line of stars, we still read your post. Well. Some of it. Some of the time. Ok not going to lie, I only read posts that have huge, long lines of stars, I have no time for posts with short stubby lines of stars. Embarrassing. Not to judge you. Some people think tiny lines of stars are cute.



BABA DBAR!

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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:14 AM
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Well I have read the thread and I feel I should add my two cents. I am with Grim and all the other people who use RATIONAL THINKING when it comes to consipracy. Not everything is a consiracy people. How can you say this man is murdered with no evidence to even suggest it! I am willing to say congressmen and congresswomen have family that die evey single day in this nation, but because it so happens this one is running for president people assume on this forum foul play. Deny Ignorace.



BABA DBAR



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:18 AM
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Funny how this thread went from 0 to 100 on the anxiety meter.
Plain and simple - This could go either way very easily but I'm going to outline a few things to help out the tally on if this could be a conspiracy..

Natural causes = -1 point

Killed as a message to his brother who is anti war - pro ET = 1 point
Killed because he intended to reopen a focused 9/11 investigation while claiming the Bush administration was too close to the commission report + 1 point

So far we're on the positive side as this being a good candidate for a conspiracy. And in all reality I think many other points could be racked up on the candidate for conspiracy award.

After the autopsy we'll have answers, clues or further theories.

Personally, this feels dirty but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if it was truly a natural death.
I would expect to see an effect on how Dennis approaches the podium if he feels it's a conspiracy. If it is then he would of been given SOME sort of notice that what happened was the result of too many pushed buttons.

I'm not sure how one would react if that was the case..

Sad thing no matter and especially so since I'm sure Dennis won't be able to watch, read or hear about it or be reminded by someone several times daily for a looong time.

b



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by tetsujin420
Well I have read the thread and I feel I should add my two cents. I am with Grim and all the other people who use RATIONAL THINKING when it comes to consipracy. Not everything is a consiracy people. How can you say this man is murdered with no evidence to even suggest it! I am willing to say congressmen and congresswomen have family that die evey single day in this nation, but because it so happens this one is running for president people assume on this forum foul play. Deny Ignorace.


Basically, all I'm saying is theres alot of people that may have been killed.
And I'm sure some have been killed for political motivation.
But to me this doesn't smell of anything like that.
And it's so early in the news, to think anything now is just insane.

Dare I say it, I think ATS on a whole is far too over reactionary.
Because all I see is conspiracy this and conspiracy that.
Actually, I think all this talk really undermines the point of this site.
Really, I don't want to be rude, but I just hate to content watered down.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:18 AM
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Oh, I see. Now, we civilians of the USA have to be concerned about congresspeople from Mexico. Oh, is that something new? Do we vote for congresspeople of Mexico back here in the USA? Well, I still thinking about why should I care about someone's elses brother here in the USA. Is he an important person, I should bow down to or something?



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by AmoebaSized
Oh, I see. Now, we civilians of the USA have to be concerned about congresspeople from Mexico. Oh, is that something new? Do we vote for congresspeople of Mexico back here in the USA? Well, I still thinking about why should I care about someone's elses brother here in the USA. Is he an important person, I should bow down to or something?



No offense man, but you lost me. What are you talking about?



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:34 AM
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Oh, I see. Now, we civilians of the USA have to be concerned about congresspeople from Mexico.


I know its late in the states.. almost 3:30 here.. but um... you realize the dude was American right? ....... Just wondering....



Oh, is that something new? Do we vote for congresspeople of Mexico back here in the USA?


Yeah.. You .. you did read the thread right? .. I .. have no idea where you got Mexico from. in fact.. your the only person to even mention Mexico.....




Well, I still thinking about why should I care about someone's elses brother here in the USA. Is he an important person, I should bow down to or something?


Ummmm...

Why should you care?

Here is why you should care man..

He was the brother of a congressman, sure, but it just so happens.. that this man was also, no other then, the second cousin to an a man who shared a room for 2 months with another mans brother whos father was the uncle to a man who had familiar relations with the NWO's head reptilian ambassador.

There is no doubt of the intergalactic ramifications this will have on our puny mortal lives...



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:57 AM
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I think there's a fact that was stated directly in the news report that rules out heart attack. He was found dead FACE DOWN. How namy people die face down unless instantly they lose consciousness and drop? And what are the chances that they would instantly just lose consciousness and fall to the ground in the face down position, as opposed to face up or on his side?

This is why I'm suspicious... this and it's a candidate's brother... a candidate who is still an influencial politician, either way if he wins or loses.

It is suspicious. Therefore, we have a right to suspect, and those of you who don't suspect are most likely the same people not suspecting when other suspicious things happen, and that is why the government gets away with all the crap they do... It gets irritating, how suspicious things just get laughed at by people as crazy theorists jumping to paranoid conclusions. Let the suspicious be suspect, for God's sake!

What do the police do when a guy's wife gets killed? Who's the first suspect? The Guy! Is that wild conspiracy theory? No, it's valid suspicion under validly suspicious circumstances.

Maybe if more skepticism of "conspiracy theories" came with less sacrasm and cynicism, I wouldn't get so peeved by it.

Either way, man... this was a shock to me. I really feel as though this is downright stinking of conspiracy, just the looks of it... I couldn't even trust a coroner's report if I tried. I mean Kurt Cobain was declared a suicide without much thought, even though that was rife with anomalies...same with the JFK assassination, RFK, Lennon murder, MLK assassination, WTC disaster..... but these anomalies are always just brushed aside... always brushed aside and explained with half assed excuses.

It's likely this will just be brushed aside, too, and if Kucinich feels any responsibility for the safety of the rest of his family, he may just let them win. It's a tough choice, truth or the safety of your family?

Isn't that the choice we all face, in a way? What's more important? The truth, or the security of your loved ones? It sucks that we have to choose between those two options in a so-called "free country".



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:05 AM
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You'd have to have just awakened from a coma induced on Nov 21, 1963 not to find this coincidental death even somewhat suspicious. Especially given the present state of this country. Those who proclaim so cooly, "nothing to see here, folks, move on" and belittle these suspicions are living in smug denial of the very real crisis engulfing the US and in willful ignorance of our own sordid unwritten recent history. It's a worldview in its way as blindly complacent and detached from reality as the CT paranoia they mock.

Yes, information is scarce. Yes, jumping to conclusions is unwarranted. But no, raising suspicions is not.

This could be textbook intimidation straight form the pages of the mafia playbook, or it could have been a middle-aged heart attack. Thing is, we'll probably never know. We can only wait and see how this plays out, but should not write it off out of hand.

Balance, folks.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by WolfofWar

Gee, I didn't realize Mr. Kucinich was wrapped up in barb wire while committing suicide by shooting himself four times in the back of the head.


really!?

well, 'back in the day', those from the north were given TEA, and those from the south, preferred COFFEE, and at a 'goodwill' meeting in the south, all the TEA was poisoned, and all the coffee drinkers were safe, while many northerners died. the president(from the north) barely made it out alive.

each to his own.

and how about that late radioactive russian agent of late?

yes, virginia, there is a john dee.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
I have a question, its a pretty simple one. Its only one word....why?

Why kill the brother of somebody who most people neither heard of or can even pronounce the name of. The only time this guys name rings a bell is when I saw him on comedy centrals daily show pulling a mini version of himself out of his pocket and looking like a pyschopath. In saying that. Why would anyone try to kill him?


Half the time our Preznit looks like a psychopath, no?

Thing is, he's digging into some very dirty laundry, and even if he's a fringe candidate, that gets attention. This is pretty obvious, if you're looking for motive.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:15 AM
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Of course this death is extremely suspicious guys. Dont say otherwise, we all know Dennis Kucinich was flirting with 911, UFO, Impeachment, etc and this is his message.

Why do you think the MSM is going to such lengths in every report out there to say NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY? Just think about that for a moment... Why are they even saying that unless the case is bloody obviously suspicious. Of course it stinks, and given the record of the PTB, and you still got NO truth on JFK let alone any of the others or 911 or anything. Your MSM and accepted history is nothing more than a fairytale.

In conclusion I want to ram home this point - when was the last time you read about a heart attack and in every report proclaiming NO FOUL PLAY? They are saying this because people who want to go on believing the lies will have some denial mechanism they can subconsciously cling onto and let the truth slide into the murky waters of history.

PS Personally, I think they know if they touch Ron Paul it would be blood in the streets, so Kucinich was a softer target for the cowards.

edit - once again gottago, you deliver.

[edit on 20-12-2007 by Shar_Chi]



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:18 AM
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While I do realize that people could die face down naturally... the fact that they made the face down thing poingiant in the article, and shortly thereafter stated that foul play was ruled out... it's sorta like someone wanted the congressman to read between the lines...



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:19 AM
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Funny how this thread went from 0 to 100 on the anxiety meter.
Plain and simple - This could go either way very easily but I'm going to outline a few things to help out the tally on if this could be a conspiracy..

Natural causes = -1 point

Killed as a message to his brother who is anti war - pro ET = 1 point
Killed because he intended to reopen a focused 9/11 investigation while claiming the Bush administration was too close to the commission report + 1 point



conspiracy edge................
Just to add to what Bspiracy has already touched on, it was also Rep. Kucinich who started the impeachment bill againest Cheney
How coincidental that today Cheney's offices caught ablaze, perhaps they were burning evidence or simply trying to create sympathy for the VP

[//end edge]



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:26 AM
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Honestly people...not everything is a conspirecy. Let's see what the autopsy says before we get all hot and bothered. Let's let Mr. Kucinich, and his family, mourn their loss, shall we?

'course I realize that many of you won't believe the autopsy report, unless it says "...he was murdered by the NWO...".

Let's have a moritorium on the CT for a few days, eh?


My condolences to the Kucinich family.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by Eden

Funny how this thread went from 0 to 100 on the anxiety meter.
Plain and simple - This could go either way very easily but I'm going to outline a few things to help out the tally on if this could be a conspiracy..

Natural causes = -1 point

Killed as a message to his brother who is anti war - pro ET = 1 point
Killed because he intended to reopen a focused 9/11 investigation while claiming the Bush administration was too close to the commission report + 1 point



conspiracy edge................
Just to add to what Bspiracy has already touched on, it was also Rep. Kucinich who started the impeachment bill againest Cheney
How coincidental that today Cheney's offices caught ablaze, perhaps they were burning evidence or simply trying to create sympathy for the VP

[//end edge]







You got a star, mr. Eden. I was thinking that, too. Just waiting for someone to say it. They may have brought that up in the thread about the fire, though, but good to hear it anyway.

Edit I called Eden Edge haha sorry.

[edit on 20-12-2007 by indierockalien]



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by gottago
Half the time our Preznit looks like a psychopath, no?

Thing is, he's digging into some very dirty laundry, and even if he's a fringe candidate, that gets attention. This is pretty obvious, if you're looking for motive.


Um, so is every other conspiracy theorist out there. You are assuming Kucinich gets attention and people hear about him. They don't. Hell, I try to stay pretty informed by researching rather than watching news and I hardly ever heard of the guy.

The simple fact is, unless there is a reason to kill the guy, why do it? You can't give me a reason, because there isn't one. They aren't going to bother to bash him or threaten him until he is a threat. He isn't. Logically, there is no reason to risk being caught killing a guy that doesnt matter to send a message to a guy that doesn't matter.



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