reply to post by HowlrunnerIV
You teach!? Good grief.
Let’s begin with the preparation for the debate, because I find it appalling that you actually have students.
This is how it will go.
I’ll provide you with the bases of my debate by citing samples of sources which reflect my views and positions, aka “draft”, then you do the
When compiled, we both contact admin and ATS experts from various forums which are appropriate to the topics at hand, and then we submit our debate
points and sources to them for approval.
Upon their agreement to as joint moderators of the debate and approval of our “drafts”, we determine the time needed to prepare for the debater
and set a mutually approved date.
I’ll provide an example of the “draft”.
I don't need to travel to or live in Russia to know (and have proven) that you were wrong about Saddam and the Kurds
Fallacy – irrelevant reference to Russia, no supporting facts regarding the topic.
Saddam Could Call CIA in His Defense
Q & A With CIA Analyst Stephen Pelletiere
Exposing the lies: Who killed the Kurds? Israel's part in a US invasion of Iraq.
Halabja: whom does the truth hurt?
you were less than informed about Yitzhak Rabin
Yitzhak Rabin - Yasser Arafat, both were assassinated because they wanted piace negotiations.
That was the point, and you were not on board, so I’ll put this one to the debate list as well.
you were off-topic about Saakashvilli and the media and you misunderstood the point about Iran.
Georgia - Dictatorial puppet state government installed by Bushes administration.
Iran – Not willing to have a puppet state installed by Bushes administration.
Can’t get simpler then that, so it goes into the debate bin.
I have never claimed any knowledge about Russia/USSR/CIS-Russia other than what I have read.
And yet you keep making misleading/flat out wrong statements and feel like it’s “opinion time!”. Next.
You have never provedme flat out wrong.
MiG-1/3, MiG-15/F-86, KV7, IS3, the list goes on, but that’ll be for the debate moderators to decide, so I’ll also include that one as well.
When I show (and explain) you where and why you are wrong or off-topic, you refuse to read.
FALLACY POLICE! – fallacyfiles.org
When you give me a source I show how it can be interpreted to match my view or I admit that I have overstated the case (as I did with BT-7).
However, at least 50% of what I said in that case (and with MiG 1/3 and MiG 15) was true.
“But your honor, I was not being completely honest only half the time, come on, cut me some slack over heya would ya!?”
While I will not accept Wiki as a source from my students, I do not quote it here where the info itself cannot be sourced. Therefore, I am
quoting other sources through Wiki.
Therefore I do care about and am quoting factual sources.
Wiki is not a source, it’s an opinion forum, we all know it, we all been there, so don’t go there, and that’ll be one of the debate rules. NO
See, this is the bit I love, you refuse to shine that same light on yourself. You quoted from an unpublished manuscript.
I have a hard copy, care for a scan? I’ll be more then happy to include that into the drbate, and I will submit it to the ATS forum experts for
examination of authenticity.
You quoted from the "life experience" of the Russian people and you have the gall to accuse me of not caring about provable
For a pedagogue, you assume entirely too much, and I feel about you student like a father would about all those young bright minds stuck in system of
foster homes and juvenile detention centers.
Book in English available here;
Naturally foot notes and full references will be provided for a debate.
We are going around in circles because you can not admit when you are wrong.
FALLACY POLICE – fallacufiles.org
How do they let you teach?!
Such as your assertion that the US had something to do with encouraging the Kurds in Halabja to rise against Saddam in 1988.
This one I’ll save for the debate since I have PDFs that will completely fit the Above Top Secret “Conspiracy” section.
You completely misunderstood my original reference and obviously didn't know anything about Halabja or Al-Anfil other than Saddam gassed
Kurds. You managed to conflate the 1991 post-Desert Storm uprisings in the north and south with the Al Anfil campaign and Halabja attack of four years
This one you should put on the debate list. You still under the impression that Saddam gassed the Kurds, so I’ll let you get your hands dirty on
that one. Good luck with that.
You then, to top it all off, brought in Winston Churchill and the RAF.
Another excellent topic for the debate, let’s keep that one noted. I even have video, so I’ll have to get a youtube account and make this one a
multimedia type of a presentation.
To a discussion about Russian sales of uranium to the Iranian government of Mahmoud Ahmedenijad at exactly the same time US President George W
Bush is attempting to build a consensus in the UN against Iran's nuclear programme.
FALLACY POLICE – fallacyfiles.org
And you accuse me of needing to check out fallacyfiles.
Good grief, accuse?
FALLACY POLICE – fallacyfiles.org (this is not an accusation, it’s a plea!)
My line of reason is biased because I cherry pick? No, I am following the standard method of presenting an argument: State your
assumptions/findings/analysis then state the facts that back it up. You pretty much failed to disprove those facts.
No, what you are doing is persuasion (it being a form of social influence), while what I’m doing is suasion (“window guidance”), it being a form
of applied pressure for moral responsibility.
As an educator you should be well aware that persuasion allows for omitting facts entirely or misrepresenting them by twisting their meaning, while
suasion requires full disclosure but in a matter in which the presenter chooses to, so then the target audience can make form its conclusion
independently and democratically.
You don’t seem to respond to such “moral pressures”, so I think that issue should also be included in the debate. Mods/Experts will decide on
this one, but I will present my vision of the rules for this one.
Again I suggest you look in the mirror, as you have no problem accusing me of being biased against the USSR, Russia and the Russian people
while assuming that you are, of course, the voice of reason when refusing to admit the Russian leadership has ever got it wrong.
FALLACY POLICE – fallacyfiles.org
Please refrain from putting words in my mouth and speculating on what I believe and don’t, but feel free to ask though, because that’s what
educated people do.
Even after your knowing or unkowing error is pointed out you refuse to admit error, therboy making your misinformation deliberate. ref Saddam,
Kurds, American Air Support, Winston Churchill and RAF...
And so all of which shall be addressed and scheduled fore the debate. Again, mods//experts shall draw the line in the sand so we don’t stray to
much into the left field, but I feel comfortable with a time-line period of about 2 or 3 hundred years.
On that thought, I’ll even get my self into a good spirit by putting on my special limited edition Lawrence of Arabia DVD. I got a new giant flat
screen for the second home theater these holidays so it’ll be a great opportunity to enjoy it!
jarheadjock made a statement. I countered that statement by pointing to examples that had not caused international incidents. You then decided
to talk about utterly unrelated topics in an attempt to counter my point.
FALLACY POLICE – fallacyfiles.org
Your statements are “examples”, while mine are “unrelated”. Well boo, there goes my balloon!
When I made statements about the strength of the Russian armed forces I again asked questions whose answers supported my analysis. You chose
to answer different questions or (rather ironically, given your race to get off-topic) question the validity of my questions and examples.
Pardon me, “given my race”? And what might that be in your opinion and how exactly have you conjured it up? I shutter to even image how you
racially profile your students since you apparently already have done so to a virtual voice in the realm of cyberspace.
Since this has nothing to do with the debater, let’s just leave this on a personal level and leave it out of the debate, just to be sure.
I certainly don’t want any racist overtones polluting these already muddy waters, and with outmost certainty I will say this, I will not debate
topics of such magnitude with a racist.
Racists first have to graduate in order to participate in serious and constructive discussions.
My question about Vladivostok was initially dismissed as me falling for propaganda and lies spread by western media for the purpose of making
us feel more superior before you finally admitted the truth: that I was bang on the money.