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reply posted on 18-12-2007 @ 11:36 PM by loam
While I applaud the ownership's efforts to address this challenge, (I don't envy you), I think the real issue is fundamentally connected to the point raised by MemoryShock.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
...I would like to add that posting a reply out of context of the thread topic and/or flow of discussion is as well detrimental to the converstaion.


I think this hits the nail on the head.

For example, thread titles have become largely meaningless. Too often one begins to read a thread expecting interesting discussion on a specific topic, only to find that by page two, it has hopelessly taken a turn that never revisits the original topic as framed by the OP.

If I really consider the matter, I realize that what originally drew me to this website was the degree to which "fringe" subject matter could be explored in a quasi-academic manner. Straying off topic was a social faux pas... Posts were frequently made with tons of supporting links.... One was challenged frequently on the "facts" or the "logic" of a position... Courtesy wasn't made mandatory, it just seemed already a part of the membership's culture...

For whatever reason, those things seem less true today.

In terms of a solution, I can't help but wonder whether enforcing a "stay on topic" rule would be an easier and more effective path to follow than one that seeks to mandate the "courteousness" of posts? The former, by proxy, addresses the latter and also helps to address an altogether different, but equally troubling, problem.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
In my opinion, directing attention to people getting banned detracts from the flow of thought. This board, correct me if I am wrong, is about the stories and discussions...not the people who are no longer here.


I agree.



While I like the improved graphic (pretty funny actually), I hope the ownership in time comes to favor a less obtrusive process than one that places these banners directly into threads. Simple text indicating a 'post has been deleted for failing to meet the requirements of the T&C' would be less intrusive, imo.

Regardless, I do hope the owners are successful in their attempts, by whatever means, to improve this problem. I think it will be tough going no matter what they do.

The reality is that the primary burden rests with the membership. ATS is what the membership makes of it. The ownership might be able to provide for civility, but can the rest of us make this a meaningful place to be?

Maybe the website's tag line, "Deny Ignorance", should be given more real estate on this website...


reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 10:40 AM by BO XIAN
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



To some degree, I think it's a culture clash with Americans . . .

Espeially us OUT WEST . . . LOL.

We are used to free for alls in a lot of contexts even without our six shooters.

Add in the web psychodynamics . . .

Nevertheless, I think the civility issue is an essential one as a worthy one given the worthy goals of ATS and you founders.

I wish the new rules etc. well.

I'd also like to see some supervising moderators trained and paid.

I think some of the moderator abuses leave folks of my perspective more than a little outraged.

I realize that abuse like beauty will always be in the eye of the beholder but sometimes it degree of biased slapdowns gets really extreme. Then the haughty self-righteous defense of such outrageously biased slapdowns gets even worse.

Not sure what the solution to that is besides paid trained vetted supervising mods who won' put up with THAT.

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BTW,

I notice on my points . . . having just posted a bunch on a thread for the first time in months . . .

replies to my posts did not earn any points. Has that changed?

Anyway--CHEERS in your efforts to enforce CIVILITY.

Very BRITISH somehow.



reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 10:42 AM by BO XIAN
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



Actually, I notice I've posted 3-5 times and my points have not changed. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong points category? Hadn't thought of that.


reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 06:58 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by SkepticOverlord


This is long overdue IMHO-Thanks SO. There are quite a few members here, both newbies and veterans alike who just troll up and down the entire first page of certain forums tossing out underhanded and insulting garbage. Their sole purpose appears to be to derail the discussions by continual belittling. I will be happy to see some of these members get called on it. Enough is enough.


[edit on 19-12-2007 by DimensionalDetective]


reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 05:12 PM by bodrul
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



like the idea
nothing like have a civilized discussion

but couldnt you have made a better picture
sorry had to say
is it hilery clinton made out to look like a grand mother?
looks awful


reply posted on 24-12-2007 @ 05:27 PM by bodrul
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



i have just found the funniest Flaw in this
dont know if this has been pointed out
so appoligies if it has


will Mods also be editing Quotes of the posts they remove?
because if you look at all posts that were censored
they can easily be read in quote by someone else who replied to them

[edit on 24-12-2007 by bodrul]


reply posted on 25-12-2007 @ 10:47 AM by rachel07
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



I agree. We are a mature, intelligent board that doesn't need to run down another board member's opinion.

I try not to run anybody else's opinion down and act mature. I am 44, so if I can't behave mature on a board then something is wrong with me.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but not at the disrespect of another person.

People's voices are valuable and their views, also. However, it shouldn't come at the cost of name calling, or anything that shows disrespect to somebody else.

I always try to remember that before I answer any forum. If it is something too close to me, I either bite my tongue, or read what others have to say. Sometimes, if somebody says something out of ignorance, I ignore them. However, if they show what made them feel so strongly by a link, I check it out.

I won't condemn another member of the board for their views. We have one of the greatest freedoms and that is the 'freedom of speech', but that freedom shouldn't be allowed to impose itself on another person in a disrespectful manner.

I have read some topics which are quite heated in their debate, and I guess people forget that real people exist in cyberspace and are vulnerable. Just because we can't be seen, our voices can be heard. We have to remember the power of the words in which we write and that they can cause harm or offense to another sitting on the other end reading what we have written.

We are not chips and binary circuits, but real people communicating and it is a privilege that we shouldn't take for granted.

Just because we can't see each other doesn't give us any excuse to be anti-social and disagreeable. Respect is the name of the game. One of the things that I do like about ATS is that we are allowed to voice our views constructively and respectfully, which is something which isn't seen on many boards.

We don't have to run another member down to give our opinion. If you feel strongly about something provide a link.

We are not perfect, none of us are, and we tend to forget that. However, regardless we belong to one race, 'the human race', which makes us who and what we are. We can debate without anti-social behaviour, because we are a group of intelligent, like-minded people. It is a privilege to be a member of ATS.

I have made friends on this board and have learned a lot from other members. When I am not contributing to the board, I am reading and taking on board other people's views.

The world isn't black and white, and it isn't simple. The world is complex, the universe is complex and we are complex. It is the complexities that bond us here on the board of ATS and we are working together to understands the ties that bind us.

love, light and peace to all of you
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