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Chemtrails question for Americans!

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posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 09:13 AM
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I live in Germany and here they start spraying very late right now about 5pm i believe. Before that time the sky is SO CLEAR and you rarely get to see some contrails! But after that and at about dawn i see the stripes appearing.

Hows it in America... have they finally started to realizing to spray when you least see it aswell?




posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 09:41 AM
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There seems to be a pattern of spraying at dawn and at dusk where I live in California.

Sometimes they'll start spraying two hours before sunrise and by the time it becomes

light out the entire sky is white. I have noticed in last two years or so new variations

of chemtrails. Some look almost natural like puffy storm clouds. One major differnece

though is that they move along at about a tenth of the speed of normal clouds.



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 10:43 AM
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Because the air aloft is often cooler just before sunrise and just before sunset, contrails are always more prevalent around those times. Most of my best pictures of them are taken early morning or evening.



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by greydawn
There seems to be a pattern of spraying at dawn and at dusk where I live in California.

Sometimes they'll start spraying two hours before sunrise and by the time it becomes

light out the entire sky is white. I have noticed in last two years or so new variations

of chemtrails. Some look almost natural like puffy storm clouds. One major differnece

though is that they move along at about a tenth of the speed of normal clouds.


Makes very much sense!

I hope the nerve gas and the micro bacteria and all the included stuff won't affect you so much.



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 09:58 PM
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For the nay=sayers who claim there are no such things as chemtrails...go to this link..This is a company and they admit they do this..
www.weathermodificationinc.com



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by greydawn
There seems to be a pattern of spraying at dawn and at dusk where I live in California.


What Essan said


Sometimes they'll start spraying two hours before sunrise and by the time it become light out the entire sky is white.


Ever heard of Cirrostratus? The flat white, high level cloud that can cover the whole sky? Even if they were spraying chemicals, they wouldnt be reaching the ground according to your observations


I have noticed in last two years or so new variations.
of chemtrails. Some look almost natural like puffy storm clouds.


By the looks of things, you dont know what storm clouds look like, so heres a link

www.weatherpictures.nl...



One major differnece though is that they move along at about a tenth of the speed of normal clouds.


How did you come to that conclusion? I guess you just assumed. Ever heard of the jetstream, where contrails are formed.......the winds up there are in excess of 200knots. Last time I checked that was pretty damn fast



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 10:12 PM
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Your link doesnt work. And I think this is acloud seeding website, which has absolutely nothing to do with chemtrails



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:25 PM
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It is only up to time until you accept that it's happening.

And check this guy out:

youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:26 PM
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I will never accept.....time wont make a difference. My proffesional knowledge of meteorology prohibits it

And as for that video.....what absolute BS. This guy thinks everything is a conspiracy! And the fact that he mentions Jeff Rense (the worst source for any conspiracy theory) just makes it even less credible

[edit on 18/12/2007 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:36 PM
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Please summarize chemtrail theory. Please provide data and or images. How does one spot a chemtrail? How does one differentiate between chemtrail and contrail?



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by Paul the seeker
 


I will never accept.....time wont make a difference. My proffesional knowledge of meteorology prohibits it


meaning you literally stand above highly educated/qualified ex-goverment people who try to come forward.

But i was not making the thread to argue about the existence of chemtrails, actually it's out of debate.

[edit on 18-12-2007 by Paul the seeker]



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:39 PM
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No, meaning I am a meteorologist (for the Australian Weather Bureau) that forecasts the likelyhood of long lasting contrails and where they may occur. So yes I am highly educated just like these so called ex-government people



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by Paul the seeker
 


No, meaning I am a meteorologist (for the Australian Weather Bureau) that forecasts the likelyhood of long lasting contrails and where they may occur. So yes I am highly educated just like these so called ex-government people


Yet you ignore the statements.



posted on Dec, 18 2007 @ 11:58 PM
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What statements? I ignore anything that I believe to be crap. I ignore anything that comes with no real proof, chemtrails being the worst offender. I also ignore anyone who has anything to do with or includes Jeff Rense in a statement, like that guy on your youtube link.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:15 AM
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Lots of gas but nothing solid


Originally posted by Paul the seeker
Yet you ignore the statements.

Just as you ignore the expert opinions of Essan and Oz Weatherman.

In fact, you have never explained, in any of your posts on this subject, what real evidence you have of this. No chemtrail believer ever has. All they have are theories, blind assertions and circumstantial connections of the most tenuous kind.

Come on, chemtrail believers, show us your stuffing! If you're so convinced, the evidence must be solid, right? So... out with it! Why so reticent? What's holding you back?

Meanwhile, here are some pictures for everyone to enjoy. They were taken at an air show.







Scary, eh? Well, no. Just 'pulling vapour' as airplane buffs call it. This is what makes contrails.

[edit on 19-12-2007 by Astyanax]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by Paul the seeker
 


What statements? I ignore anything that I believe to be crap. I ignore anything that comes with no real proof, chemtrails being the worst offender. I also ignore anyone who has anything to do with or includes Jeff Rense in a statement, like that guy on your youtube link.


"I ignore anything that I believe to be crap."

So you're kinda not right here.

We deny ignorance don't we?

Anything is possible, well apparently not for you.

I believe inside info of multiple highly credible educated ex-involved members more than you, sorry yes.



In fact, you have never explained, in any of your posts on this subject


I will not give my breath for constant reacting on "meteorologically-experienced" debunkers comments.

You can do some research about the topic, accept that some ppl "maybe" know more than you, or simply refuse it.

I have nothing to proof for you.


[edit on 19-12-2007 by Paul the seeker]

[edit on 19-12-2007 by Paul the seeker]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Paul the seeker
I have nothing to proof for you.

Yes, that's exactly what I expected.

No proof. Just a bunch of hysterical twaddle.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Astyanax

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
I have nothing to proof for you.

Yes, that's exactly what I expected.

No proof. Just a bunch of hysterical twaddle.


Congratulations you reached your goal, you just successfully debunked.

Can my thread now continue the topic as intended?



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Paul the seeker
Congratulations you reached your goal, you just successfully debunked.

Can my thread now continue the topic as intended?

That was more a challenge than an attempt to debunk. I'm just asking you to show me what you've got.

I hope that, as the thread continues, we may see some of it.

For example, what chemicals do you believe are in chemtrails? How do you know this?

And what is the purpose of chemtrail spraying? How do you know this?

Who is spraying chemtrails?

And so on...



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Paul the seeker

So you're kinda not right here.

We deny ignorance don't we?

Anything is possible, well apparently not for you.


Are you calling me ignorant? If I am ignorant then so are you. Yes anything is possible, but when there is proper evidence to suggest that a topic is unplausible then it becomes, IMPOSSIBLE



Originally posted by Paul the seekerI will not give my breath for constant reacting on "meteorologically-experienced" debunkers comments.


Oh I see, because you deny ignorance right? Or is it that you just refuse to believe that I have valid points that discredit the chemtrail theory



Originally posted by Paul the seeker
You can do some research about the topic, accept that some ppl "maybe" know more than you, or simply refuse it.

I have nothing to proof for you.


Yes some people may know more than me, I dont doubt that. The majority of chemtrail believers, like that guy on your youtube link, base their arguments on what other people say, and photographs. So what you're saying is that chemtrails exist but there is no proof they exist, but still what we see coming from aeroplanes in the sky must be the government spraying harmful substances to poison/ mind control/ sterilise us, because that is more likely than hot exhaust from an aircraft entering a super cooled environment and condensing?



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