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Canada's Identity

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posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 08:46 PM
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Don Cherry, the guy who's always on half-time in Hockey Night in Canada, expressed his opinion about hockey players who wear visors.

He said that most players who wear visors in the NHL are "Europeans and Frence Guys".

Federal bodies are investigating the incident.

I suppose Canada does have it's own identity, as Don Cherry is a hard-core Canadian television entity, especially when it comes to Hockey.


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Do you think Canada has an identity?




posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 01:02 AM
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It does but not one that I like btw.

I know people that know Cherry and he is bombastic in real life too.

Visors are a good idea and anyone that has played hockey will tell you that it is a lot safer with them. But on the other hand I can understand why Cherry hates the French.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by THENEO
But on the other hand I can understand why Cherry hates the French.


Me too, but it seems as though Cherry is not only belittling the French with this. I don't see anything from that article suggesting Cherry is anti-francophone. Sure he obviously called the franc's weak, but that is his MO. So he's a highly paid commentator, Canada sure as hell has it's own identity, ask any American. The fact that the nation is bilingual is testament to this. Cherry is begin blasted in his own nation for what?? For his opinin on francophones? I can name about 100 Albertans that could find something wrong with Franc's. Leave this guy alone, he's being paid by the CBC for a reason. He states his opinion and you're damn right in thinking Canada has it's own identity, no one can argue againts that. What exactly is this post a-boat?

Sorry if this post is a little hard to follow. I'm wasted off some Canadian blended whiskey, its da best! Let him go, Canada has it's identity, francs are NOT Canadian. Kick em out, send the aircraft manufacturing to Manitoba!!

*EDIT: I HATE East Canada. Ya'll need to learn your roll. You're taking advantage of the West and don't think it goes unnoticed you bastards. May the West secceed from your horrible, selfish nation and become the most powerful region on Earth. ALBERTA, O Canada takes you for granted. Stand up! Fight the oppressors of the East and reclaim your place amongst the nations of power and envy!

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by insite]



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 01:54 AM
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visor's are great for protection.. if your a sissy and need one ...... course then u get to wearing them and end up hating them even more unless of course you have received a stick to the eye....



and i think he was stating a simple fact that the majority of player's who wear visor;s just happen to be french and european ? just MAYBE eh guys


[Edited on 8-2-2004 by CanadaCANfight]



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by insite

Originally posted by THENEO
But on the other hand I can understand why Cherry hates the French.


Me too, but it seems as though Cherry is not only belittling the French with this. I don't see anything from that article suggesting Cherry is anti-francophone. Sure he obviously called the franc's weak, but that is his MO. So he's a highly paid commentator, Canada sure as hell has it's own identity, ask any American. The fact that the nation is bilingual is testament to this. Cherry is begin blasted in his own nation for what?? For his opinin on francophones? I can name about 100 Albertans that could find something wrong with Franc's. Leave this guy alone, he's being paid by the CBC for a reason. He states his opinion and you're damn right in thinking Canada has it's own identity, no one can argue againts that. What exactly is this post a-boat?

Sorry if this post is a little hard to follow. I'm wasted off some Canadian blended whiskey, its da best! Let him go, Canada has it's identity, francs are NOT Canadian. Kick em out, send the aircraft manufacturing to Manitoba!!


You made a good point probably without being aware of it. See in Canada there is really two main ideas, that of the right and the left (I'll generalize here a bit). The left want to cling to Quebec because that is our identity which makes us different from the US and thus allows Canada to exist as a separate country from the US. Of course since those people at the ones that feed at the trough of the government system most, they have obvious self interest in all this despite their protestations to the contrary.

The other group of people are more like westerners these days, they do not fear the US and they want Canada to exist (if at all), on its own two feet by its own merits and not by some cultural abnormality. These people do not necessarily hate Quebec but they seem them as being one of serveral children in the family rather than the most important child. These people also tend to not be connected into the system the same way and more independent economically and thus more secure in their view of the world.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by THENEO
The other group of people are more like westerners these days, they do not fear the US and they want Canada to exist (if at all), on its own two feet by its own merits and not by some cultural abnormality. These people do not necessarily hate Quebec but they seem them as being one of serveral children in the family rather than the most important child. These people also tend to not be connected into the system the same way and more independent economically and thus more secure in their view of the world.


YEAH! Quebec is nothing but a burden. Stop bitchin' and take the force fed spoonfulls of economic gold the west is feeding you without questions! We know you suck upon our breast of proprietary wealth because you are without your own legs like a quadrapoligic, shunned, encumbent, wished fogotten step-child (like THENEO said). Why must you bite the hand that feeds you? Because you are French? So typically Euro. If the West didn't put up with your uppity attitude you would be nothing but a blight upon the atlas. But this conflict is what makes Canada Canada so I thank you. Oh these contradictions confuse my world, but make it ever so more intriguing. Thus the reason why the West will never foget Quebec and New Brunswick lest the West fade into nothingness as you would without our oil.

Thank you Crown Royal!



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 02:28 AM
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Vive la France!!! Vive la Quebec!!! Vers le bas avec l'ouest!

Seriously, I think it's Quebec that wants to leave you, anglophone westerners not the other way around. Liberalism forever! # conservative #heads, you're the source of many problems now and throughout history....



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 02:32 AM
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Okay, leave then. WE DON'T WANT YOU!! Ontario might like you but trust me, Alberta cares not for you! Hey I'm a kiwi who spent a year in Calgary, and the most liberal of liberals. But I think Quebec is out-of-control. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth? Quebecois do it every day...

*EDIT: I left some words out. Vive la Alberta!

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by insite]



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by insite
Okay, leave then. WE DON'T WANT YOU!! Ontario might like you but trust me, Alberta cares not for you! Hey I'm a kiwi who spent a year in Calgary, and the most liberal of liberals. But I think Quebec is out-of-control. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth? Quebecois do it every day...

*EDIT: I left some words out. Vive la Alberta!

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by insite]


Eh, I'm not Canadian. Also, I was kind of joking, also, like you, I'm pretty damn drunk! Wheee!!



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 02:47 AM
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You need to teach me how to speak French then, Flinx. All I know is "J'nai sai pas Francais, Parle ingles." Drunks unite. LOL I'm so immature, oh the shame...



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 08:22 AM
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Well, I'd like to respond to all of you. 1st the uproar about Cherry is due to the fact that the CBC is government operated. So that makes it SEEM that his statement might have some government authenticity. I personally agree with most of what he says. Now you westerners, I know exactly how you feel about the east I lived in BC for six years. I also know about your ignorance. According to the average westerner you've got Ontario, Quebec, and anything east of that is Newfoundland. I'm from Nova Scotia, heard of that, and as far as the east sucking the wests teat, you should know that our fishery was sold away for the rest of the country. The offshore natural gas that is being shipped out is making little money for NS. Wished we got as sweet a deal as Alberta. The economy is so bad that we had to move to Ontario just to survive. So westerers, quit your whining it's the furthest east that the rest of the country has been screwing.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 08:26 AM
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I think Canada's pretty wacked for trying to maintain a duel language system.. They need to ship all those pea-soup eaters back to France. All they(french canadians) seem to do is scream about how they want to secede from English Canada...



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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It's actully beem pretty quiet for the decade.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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Yeah, I have a friend from Halifax and he tells me how the really, really eastern provinces have been ignored and pretty much screwed during this infighting between the West and Quebec/Ontario.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 07:14 PM
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Thanks Flinx. It HAS seemed that we have been forgotten.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 07:27 PM
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That's something I neglected to mention. Quebec seems to suck up everything that comes it's way while politicians often provide for the people to maintain some civility between the cultures. That's Canada's identity, well a large portion of it [The dual languages/Franc culture]. If you want to get really serious I personally would like to see the wealth go somewhere that actually needs it. It's the fact that it goes to the wrong place that pisses the West off in the first place. We aren't ignorant enough to be blind to the fact that we are apart of a federal nation and we are but a portion.



posted on Feb, 9 2004 @ 07:40 AM
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Yes it does, and I see it more that I don't live there anymore. Before I was pissed because when I did live there, I didn't see it. I wasn't really aware until I was gone.

First I believe Canada is viewed as a bunch of friendly Canucks that can withstand any cold temperatures.
Secondly, alot of people feel bad for us because of the tax system. I hear that in that respect "we got it really bad".
Another thing is that many people believe we live in a socialist/democratic society. Which I believe to be true.
People know we don't have strong military defense, they also know about our molson & labbatt's beer, which many enjoy, and hockey hockey hockey, as we already know. That is our identity. From what I understand anyway. And we pronounce our words funny; such as
the word sorry, sounds like "sooory"
about -aboot
roof- rooof
doubt = dooot

there are more, but it's funny nonetheless.

Oh yes, and Tim Horton's...
Even though i'm in the states, I have two cans of coffee with me in my home... In fact i'm having a cup right now. mmmm.
mmm mmm good. fond memories indeed.

[Edited on 9-2-2004 by TrueLies]



posted on Feb, 9 2004 @ 07:46 AM
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Let's not forget the gay marriages and the almost legalized marijuana.

People know about this stuff, but i've been reading maclean's and in fact I sent the journalist an email letting him know he was wrong...

The journalist claimed that many americans don't like us now because of the gay/pot thing. But the fact of the matter is, he needs to read more papers over here, and talk to people. Because the people i've talked to, don't really give a #.
They are more concerned with the war and the run for the white house. That journalist embellished i'd say just a little too much. But Maclean's is a biast magazine and I wouldn't expect much from them anyway.



posted on Feb, 9 2004 @ 06:14 PM
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Tim Hortons on every corner, literally. That's Canada for you! I don't really like Tim Hortons coffee, though. I prefer Country Style, if I drink it at all.



posted on Feb, 9 2004 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
Well, I'd like to respond to all of you. 1st the uproar about Cherry is due to the fact that the CBC is government operated. So that makes it SEEM that his statement might have some government authenticity. I personally agree with most of what he says. Now you westerners, I know exactly how you feel about the east I lived in BC for six years. I also know about your ignorance. According to the average westerner you've got Ontario, Quebec, and anything east of that is Newfoundland. I'm from Nova Scotia, heard of that, and as far as the east sucking the wests teat, you should know that our fishery was sold away for the rest of the country. The offshore natural gas that is being shipped out is making little money for NS. Wished we got as sweet a deal as Alberta. The economy is so bad that we had to move to Ontario just to survive. So westerers, quit your whining it's the furthest east that the rest of the country has been screwing.


Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner. There is truth to your comments but it is not as simple as presented here. Many years ago eastern Canada was the best part of Canada much like the northeast was the same for the US. As you know the Canadian Constitution was signed in Charlottetown PEI and not Montreal or even Toronto (where or what was Ottawa then?). But alas as development and peoples spread west it was decided to use the large populations and plentiful land of central Canada as the industrial heartland of Canada. Unfortunately, many down east have not recovered from this state of affairs ever since. I think that your governments down there signed away control of resources because they wanted guaranteed transfers from Ottawa rather than risk the vagarities of the resource trade and international competitiveness which east coasters would have to have faced on their own.

Can the east coast avoid this problem in future of not having sufficient control over its future? I don't know for it isn't anything I can do about it.

Regarding Quebec, it is a rather dynamic place and many Quebecers have done well in the world, but overall it still remains a drain on the Canadian economy due to its penchant for European style social services which are the world's most expensive. I think the real sink hole in Canada has been and still is Quebec.



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