Originally posted by StevexO
Wow, I'm always surprised by the sheer amount of disinformation that some of you put out there. There are a couple of ways to work there:

Military Route: You can't request Dulce, Area 51, or any other location like that. As a matter of fact, no one is actually stationed in these areas. All of these areas are linked to an acknowledged installation. I was stationed at Nellis, as are all of the military personnel who actually work up-range. I don't want to say too much, but they are officially assigned to a test squadron on Nellis, but they work for a "detachment" of that squadron. As for how to get there, it really is sort of random. It helps if you know someone who is already assigned there who can put your name out there when there is an opening. Other than that, you can just get to be known as a subject matter expert in certain areas like intelligence, engineering, air-defense, etc. Usually what happens is there is an opening and the person up-range who is hiring contacts the appropriate squadron commander back at Nellis and asks who would be the best candidate. If they like you, they'll have your commander get your resume and copies of your performance reports. If they decide to hire you, they'll start the process of getting you approved for access to the site. Once you are approved, someone will escort you up there and start your inprocessing.

Contractor: Much the same as the military. When there is an opening the program manager up-range starts asking other managers for suitable candidates. If they like you, they start the process of getting you cleared and transferred out there.

Basic gist is that you can't request a job out there, they'll find you if you are a good candidate and your commander/manager recommends you. When I was getting out of the AF I was referred to JT3 by a few people who already worked out there, but there were no openings at that time. Also, having SCI and/or SAP access is a bonus, but not absolutely necessary. You guys make it out like it's so "secret squirrel" when in fact it's an organization like any other. They simply have to be discreet about their activities so as to avoid too much interest.

I think that about says it all.....thank you StevexO

I'm going to take a wild guess, because I don't for sure know, but I would hazard that any of the top secret installations would have a recruiter to look for the best and brightest and most secure people to come and work there, other than the "Cammo dudes"

So aside from the guy who told you that your best bet is to get off this board, which was very good advice, I'd say go into astrophysics, quantum mechanics, or some field that would make you stand out to the recruiter. Do as many jobs that offer security clearances as you can take. My Father made it to the NSA from the Army based on his clearances. (He was originally in Army Personnel)

Another friend of mine was in Cabinetry and he had to get a military clearance to get into the Pentagon to do some desk work.

As far as the recruiter goes, if my theory is correct, its at best, pot luck.
They have a need, they send someone to go find the best of the best in that field and approach him.

Unless you have a damn good background check, plus your parents, and siblings, and probably a decent credit check, I wouldn't worry about it so much.

They for sure dont want people who are dying to work there, but rather people who want to further science by reverse engineering Alien stuff.

In essence, Your goal shouldn't be Area 51, it should be the knowledge, or challenge to your mind.

Thats what a recruiter looks out for.

But your best bet is if you want a job there, Stop posting here. Kudos to the poster who said that.

I noticed on JT3 job site(posted earlier on this thread) that like 35 new technician/engineer jobs have appeared in July.

Why don't you just drive out to groom lake and stick your resume in their single old rusty mailbox. I'm sure they will be interested in you.....if you know what I mean.

Originally posted by kaiserdeuce
Good luck, and godspeed.

Hmm... i know it was a long time ago - but you signed off in exactly the same way as "Mr X" did on the youtube series "Confessions of an Area 51 employee"

Coincidence?

EG&G doesn't provide all the civilian job opportunities at "Area 51." There are other contractors there, too, including JT3 and Dyncorp to name a few. There are numerous civilian jobs related to support, security, transportation, etc. Also, various aircraft manufacturer's (Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Aerovironment, Scaled Composites, or whoever has a current program) have personnel in flight-test related jobs at the site.

I work with a guy here that was offered a job at Area 51. He turned it down though.He said they come to you not the other way around.So I would guess you would have to know someone or have to be in the right place at the right time to get a job at Area 51.As the guy I work with said to me why would I want to work far out in the middle of the desert when I am being offered more in the privet sector living amongst the green grass and beaches of the east coast.He is not into the who mis-teak of Area 51 or UFO's.

I would like to point out that you cant get a good job at area 51 based on knowledge anymore... you need to be a damn good sniper, usually a high ranking military spec ops sniper. Thats it.

The reason being... Area 51's operations have shut down and moved. The reason the truck is still up there is because A) Its basicaly an international landmark and B) They dont want stupid people killing themselves because of radiation poisioning.


Not to say that it never existed, it did, but they simply had to move. There were lawsuits where employees sued their employers at Area 51 because of the conditions. This caused by on site burning of radioactive materials and the already nuked out landscape (which is where Area 51 got its name, it was the 51st section to be tested) it was death to the employees.

May I consider working at Wright Patterson Air Base in Ohio where I live, they dont get much attention but thats where a bulk of the stuff from Rosswell and other research teams got sent. They have a nice, clean base as well. Good folk, not too mean for the MP types.

Im sure some parts of area 51 are still open though, just not the main base(if thats what you were asking to get a job for)

Even if you qualified to work in Area 51, once they did a background seach on you they would come to find you started this thread, thus disqualifying you as a potential employee.

Originally posted by Byrd
Join the Air Force.

Seriously.

That won't GUARANTEE you a job there, but you could apply for Dulce. You'll need some good tech skills (or to be part of the military police) and will need to score very high on your ASFAB to be sure you get the posts you want.

Once in, you'll have to have a top-notch record in your area, and be able to get security clearances.

Then you can request Dulce. I'm not sure how much of a turnover there is out there, but you can look and see what's out there.

Civilian workers are also used and they have a job posting somewhere. However, they're carefully screened as well and you do need a good education.

Getting a civilian company to hire you would be a start. But no company is going to hire you and instantly drop you into area 51. From what I understand from military personnel who have worked there is that the contractors are usually extremely smart, extremely educated people who probably have all kinds of insane credentials. In a public setting, none of the civilian contractors ever talk to the military personnel and, in fact, from what I've heard it is forbidden.

Getting into the Air Force won't exactly guarantee you will ever get to area 51. It's not like you can go up to your commander and say "send me to area 51" it doesn't work that way. What the Air Force does is station it's personnel at bases nearby like nellis AFB. Every now and then, military personnel from these adjacent bases are tasked with a TDY assignment to Area51 that could last only days. A helicopter ferries the military personnel back and forth. Some personnel at Area51 are more permanent than that simply because some positions are critical and always need to be on duty. Security forces for example, or even crewchiefs for the aircraft. But alot of these jobs that at a traditional fighter base, for example, which would be held by active duty or guardsmen are tasked with the civilian companies.

But if you are active duty air force (and I know this from being active duty for 6 years) just because you request to go to a base doesn't mean you will get it. You will probably end up at some base at the edge of some small town you've never heard of. Most jobs in the Air Force are pretty normal jobs that support the mission. But every once in a while some personnel are sent there for temporary duty to perform various tasks (not just what their career feild entails). You are selected, not vice versa. It also implies you must pass a rigorous security clearance investigation in order to get a top secret clearance. I had a secret clearance for 6 years but a top secret clearance takes a couple weeks for the military to investigate you, talk to your friends, your family, and check you out in general. You probably wouldn't ever get it if they found out you had anything to do with a website like this..

I know munitions personnel I worked with in the past who have been stationed there for days at a time and after each period they would be ferried back to Nellis on a blackhawk.

-ChriS

[edit on 28-5-2008 by BlasteR]

Originally posted by The Bear Man
I would like to point out that you cant get a good job at area 51 based on knowledge anymore... you need to be a damn good sniper, usually a high ranking military spec ops sniper. Thats it.

The reason being... Area 51's operations have shut down and moved. The reason the truck is still up there is because A) Its basicaly an international landmark and B) They dont want stupid people killing themselves because of radiation poisioning.


Not to say that it never existed, it did, but they simply had to move. There were lawsuits where employees sued their employers at Area 51 because of the conditions. This caused by on site burning of radioactive materials and the already nuked out landscape (which is where Area 51 got its name, it was the 51st section to be tested) it was death to the employees.

May I consider working at Wright Patterson Air Base in Ohio where I live, they dont get much attention but thats where a bulk of the stuff from Rosswell and other research teams got sent. They have a nice, clean base as well. Good folk, not too mean for the MP types.

Im sure some parts of area 51 are still open though, just not the main base(if thats what you were asking to get a job for)

The base was not relocated because of the toxic environment. The lawsuits that followed 5 servicemen dying was the direct result of stealth byproducts being burnt off at the site rather than trucked off to gain attention to the base. The family members of the dead servicemen sued the government but nothing ever came of it. President Clinton signed a presidential order saying that the base didn't have to release any of it's records to the families and that the base, in general, didn't have to give out any information regarding their deaths. This is the type of thing that happens under black projects/black programs in which the funding cannot be traced, the government uses funds to produce new technology, all the while setting aside all the safety criteria that, if in place, could have saved these men's lives. Since there is no oversite into environmental or safety of said black programs, the government can basically get away with anything it wants to even if it means people dying because of their negligence.

Following the lawsuit the base continued normal operations and testing.
I have seen no evidence at all that the base operations have been relocated. The site may be a toxic waste site, but actually there have been many new facilities built just in the last couple years which prove that activities are, if anything, business as usual. We talked about this in an Area51 thread a while back and, actually, it was my first post ever on ATS.

I helped to identify what some of the new buildings were since I know what munitions storage sites look like and some of them look like brand new munitions storage sites.

-ChriS

[edit on 28-5-2008 by BlasteR]

Originally posted by BlasteR

Originally posted by The Bear Man
I would like to point out that you cant get a good job at area 51 based on knowledge anymore... you need to be a damn good sniper, usually a high ranking military spec ops sniper. Thats it.

The reason being... Area 51's operations have shut down and moved. The reason the truck is still up there is because A) Its basicaly an international landmark and B) They dont want stupid people killing themselves because of radiation poisioning.


Not to say that it never existed, it did, but they simply had to move. There were lawsuits where employees sued their employers at Area 51 because of the conditions. This caused by on site burning of radioactive materials and the already nuked out landscape (which is where Area 51 got its name, it was the 51st section to be tested) it was death to the employees.

May I consider working at Wright Patterson Air Base in Ohio where I live, they dont get much attention but thats where a bulk of the stuff from Rosswell and other research teams got sent. They have a nice, clean base as well. Good folk, not too mean for the MP types.

Im sure some parts of area 51 are still open though, just not the main base(if thats what you were asking to get a job for)

The base was not relocated because of the toxic environment. The lawsuits that followed 5 servicemen dying was the direct result of stealth byproducts being burnt off at the site rather than trucked off to gain attention to the base. The family members of the dead servicemen sued the government but nothing ever came of it. President Clinton signed a presidential order saying that the base didn't have to release any of it's records to the families and that the base, in general, didn't have to give out any information regarding their deaths. This is the type of thing that happens under black projects/black programs in which the funding cannot be traced, the government uses funds to produce new technology, all the while setting aside all the safety criteria that, if in place, could have saved these men's lives. Since there is no oversite into environmental or safety of said black programs, the government can basically get away with anything it wants to even if it means people dying because of their negligence.

Following the lawsuit the base continued normal operations and testing.
I have seen no evidence at all that the base operations have been relocated. The site may be a toxic waste site, but actually there have been many new facilities built just in the last couple years which prove that activities are, if anything, business as usual. We talked about this in an Area51 thread a while back and, actually, it was my first post ever on ATS.

I helped to identify what some of the new buildings were since I know what munitions storage sites look like and some of them look like brand new munitions storage sites.

-ChriS

[edit on 28-5-2008 by BlasteR]

Yes, I can agree there are some new things, but I mean the main activitys have had to cease due to the radiation. And yes the familys did manage to sue them, it just wasnt highly released.

The government might have paid off the families but no legal action ever transpired... If you have some kind of documentation or anything else to back up your claims that they really did sue the government, I'd sure like to see it. Especially seeing as the military didn't have to release any information regarding Area51, it's personnel, it's health hazards, etc.. (this coming from the president himself !). Unless something took place that overruled the president, I seriously doubt anything of the sort ever transpired. THIS WAS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG..

And even if there is some kind of radiation hazard, they're not going to leave this base because of the technological edge it gives our military and our country in general. They've conducted operations there for decades, they will continue to do so. No toxic or radioactive health hazard has prevented them from using the base in the past, nothing is going to prevent them from using it in the future. This site is too valuable for the government to simply abandon... For many reasons.

-ChriS

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