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Joint Forces Commander Major General Rhys Jones said yesterday the threat in Bamyan province was increasing, with a greater risk of suicide bombings and attacks on infrastructure.
The Government confirmed last night that Taliban activity was increasing, and that if the Defence Force needed reinforcements its wish would probably be granted.
General Jones said the instability could prompt a "changing role, from human assistance to security and stability". The Government said that would be considered by the Cabinet
The improvised explosive device (IED) exploded on the flank of the patrol, Army spokesman Captain Zac Prendergast told Fairfax Media.
"The statement 'very lucky' does come to mind," he said.
"The crater that was created by this device was about 700 mm by about 300 mm deep. It could have been a lot worse."
I do have to question the wisdom of the NZ government [putting our soldiers in harms way]. When you give solders such a limited mandate how can one expect security situation not to deteriorate? The enemy knows full we that NZ troops wont actively take measures to prevent infiltration one of the hall marks of insurgency warfare. It is time for the gloves to come off it doesn't make much sense to hold off much longer before increasing the number of troops and giving them a mandate to put some pressure back on the enemy. Other wise the security situation will just continue deteriorate.
A NZ patrol has had encounter with an IED. I do have to wonder if this sort of thing could have been avoided if the troops didn't have such limited mandate . Surely such limited mandate can not remain because it is vital that enemy infiltration be prevented. We may even see a return to the sort of methods that were used in Vietnam , ,
We may even see a return to the sort of methods that were used in Vietnam by Anzac forces in weeding out the enemy while fighting the hearts and minds battle. Both the NZ and Australian SAS saw service in Vietnam. Although unless they are lying the NZ government is keeping the NZSAS out of the conflict in Afghanistan.
Where to start? All I am advocating is that NZ troops be able to take the steps necessary to provide security for the provincial reconstruction team. No one else is going to do it for them. Due to its geographical location the enemy is mostly likely to infiltrate the Bamyan province rather then having a active presence like in the south of the country. Peoples lives improved by access to health care and the construction of basic infrastructure. Karzi has a mandate from the Afghan people but that is another topic.
Some of the locals may not be able to read but there not that stupid. As for poppy it is about the only product people can get to the market place. Construction of infrastructure would allow people to supply goods to urban areas.
At present if the coalition withdrew from Afghanistan the Taliban would come back to power and the country would become a haven for terrorists. You are grossly underestimating the desire much of the population has for the freedom they have gained. If Afghans didn't want a democratic government they wouldn't have showed up at the polls.
It is not unreasonable for people to support the likes of the construction of a new schools and so on rather then a return to Taliban.
Sorry Don I just cant fathom your logic on this one. It is true things would have been much better off if the forces and money that have been spend or used in Iraq had been used in Afghanistan. But that is another topic as is the validly of the war in Afghanistan.
Don if the Afghan people really thought it wasn't in there best interests to have coalition forces in the country they wouldn't have re elected Karzi. Your comments about kids going to school in the outdoors is a bit of a misdirection. Under the Taliban girls didn't even go to school period.
Don you know that I disagree with you concerning the root cause of terrorism.
Progress is small steps. Afghanistan is and will remain an Islamic country. You don't exactly see any bars and casinos being constructed in the Bamyan province. Clean drinking water and other basic services are a necessary rather then aspects of western culture. Don do you also regard munitions clearing as part of spreading Western Culture?
"What it means is that there is no exclusively military solution to Afghanistan's problems. You need security to get development but you're not going to get development without security,"
Prime Minister Helen Clark has renewed her support for a multi-pronged strategy on Afghanistan, as Cabinet approves the deployment of an extra 18 troops to the troubled country
We've been reviewing security there in recent months following a deterioration in the situation, like a rocket attack on a nearby town, increased criminal and drug trafficking elements, and last weekend an improvised explosive device targeted one of our patrols," Miss Clark said.
"We made the decision to increase our numbers prior to that because of our general concern about the spillover effect of instability in other provinces into the Bamyan area."
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No real surprise here with either the amount of extra troops being deployed or the timing of the announcement. With there current mandate I don't see how NZDF personal will be able to prevent the insurgency from spilling over into the Bamyan province . There isn’t much else I can say without repeating myself.
The First Lady of the United States has been given a warm Kiwi welcome by the New Zealand Provincial Reconstruction Team (NZPRT) at their Afghanistan base in in Bamyan Province yesterday.
Mrs Laura Bush was confronted with a full-on mid-morning haka before meeting NZPRT Commander Colonel Darryl Tracy and other members of the
Provincial Reconstruction Team.
I thought that it was worth noting that Laura has visited more then just Kabul. There was a brief segment about this story on the TV news this is where a clip of a US news story was shown were the reporter noted that the secret service were a bit nervous when the Haka was being performed. It is important the more secure provinces are not neglected for both security reasons and the fact more basic infrastructure can be constructed.