Best Submarines? , page 1

Originally posted by Thirst
More coming online soon though, well being built; out of interest how many are in the Virginia class?

Looks like there could be up to 4 Virginia Class boats operational at the moment.

Block I
USS Virginia (SSN-774), commissioned and in service
USS Texas (SSN-775), commissioned and in service
USS Hawaii (SSN-776), commissioned and in service
North Carolina (SSN-777), named December 11, 2000; scheduled delivery in 2007[1]; this is the last ship of the First Block or "Flight".

Block II
New Hampshire (SSN-778) has been ordered for delivery in 2008[1]
New Mexico (SSN-779) has been ordered for delivery in 2011
California (SSN-780) was ordered in 2005 and is expected to be delivered in April, 2011
SSN-781 was ordered in 2006 and is expected to be delivered in 2013
SSN-782 was ordered in 2006 and is expected to be delivered in 2013[2]
SSN-783 is expected to be ordered in 2008; this is the last ship of the Second Block or "Flight".

Block III
SSN-784 through approximately SSN-791 are planned to make up the Third Block or "Flight" and should begin construction in 2009.

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hmm, the best submarines, this is a tricky one....

Some of the modern US nuclear sub's have Norwegian build propellers, and roumered that only way to spot one is to listen for the silence that follows the sub.

But Diesel/Electric sub's are stil considdered the most silent once.

like the Swedish Gotland class, it's said that US navy had 3 week's to find the sub in a excercise, and they were even given an aproximate position to find the sub....to no vail...

so my personal ranking is about following:
1.: Gotland (sweden)
2.: Foxtrot (russian)
3.: Seawolf / Virginia (US modular designed uboat)
4.: Ula (Norway) -> no.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 21-12-2007 by Phoebus]

[edit on 21-12-2007 by Phoebus]

From Phoebus,

Some of the modern US nuclear sub's have Norwegian build propellers, and roumered that only way to spot one is to listen for the silence that follows the sub.

But Diesel/Electric sub's are stil considdered the most silent once.

YOu folks need to think this through carefully..very carefully. Let me help here.


www.bose.com...


Think about this awhile...a long while.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by Phoebus
hmm, the best submarines, this is a tricky one....

Some of the modern US nuclear sub's have Norwegian build propellers, and roumered that only way to spot one is to listen for the silence that follows the sub.

But Diesel/Electric sub's are stil considdered the most silent once.

like the Swedish Gotland class, it's said that US navy had 3 week's to find the sub in a excercise, and they were even given an aproximate position to find the sub....to no vail...

so my personal ranking is about following:
1.: Gotland (sweden)
2.: Foxtrot (russian)
3.: Seawolf / Virginia (US modular designed uboat)
4.: Ula (Norway) -> no.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 21-12-2007 by Phoebus]

[edit on 21-12-2007 by Phoebus]

Norvegian propeller? Where do you get your stuff from? Give me a source for that.
A Foxtrot class on second place?? Stop smoking dude, the first Foxtrot was laid down in 1957 and commissioned in 1958! That is the most stupid statement i have seen on this forum.
And can u pls tell me why you rate the Ula clss higher than the 212/214?
and another thing. You dont compare a diesel submarine with a nuclear, they arent comparable at all.

reply to post by Phoebus

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Isn't that Norweigian Sub supposed to be like the most stealthy of any submarine, and the the have a co-ed crew? [saw it on Modern Warfare]

Originally posted by sir_stinky_pinky
reply to post by Phoebus

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Isn't that Norweigian Sub supposed to be like the most stealthy of any submarine, and the the have a co-ed crew? [saw it on Modern Warfare]

Well, it is a quiet sub, yes. From Vikipedia: The Ula class submarines are among the most silent and manoeuverable submarines in the world. This, in combination with the relatively small size, makes them difficult to detect from surface vessels and ideal for operations in coastal areas. During the annual NATO Joint Winter exercise in 2004, the HNoMS Utvær had to be disqualified from the exercise because it kept the entire landing operation at bay."
But not more quiet than many other "new" diesel-subs. When running on batteries it is impossible to compare a diesel sub against a nuclear boat when it comes to noise. A nuclear boat always have pumps and generators making "noise", but then again, they have the speed, and endurance a diesel sub dont have. New technology (Air independent propulsion) has given several diesel sub-classes possibility to run for weeks underwater without running noisy diesels, but they can never have the same speed as nuclear subs, and would for example not be a good choise for engaging a carrier-group doing 30kts. Only choise for a diesel sub in such a senario would be to sit around in a strait or similar and wait for the group to pass by.
For the same reason you would not use a diesel sub to engage nuclear subs either. (unless you have to).
Diesel subs are very good in coastal waters, or patrolling areas of high value. Can also be very good for landing special forces etc.

Originally posted by xmotex
The Oscar is better armed as a battlegroup killer, but for power projection the modified Ohios are hard to beat.

The USN has ordered the Harpoon Block III, besides its many improvements it is VLS capable. Look for the SSGN to be configured to carry and fire this class (from inside online naval sources), this does not mean it will normally deploy in this configuration but it will be able to if need be and a mix load out is also possible. Given the smaller size of the Harpoons we are looking at an even larger lead-out (than Tomahawk) for a single SSGN (maximum). Anyway, there are also the recoverable underwater and aerial attack unmanned vehicles being developed for SSGN carriage. The VLS Block III will also likely be fitted on all current VLS capable USN SSN's since the older Harpoons that were used in this role were retired.

Just a small note, I'm not really arguing with your point just adding some information on the topic.

the best submarine of the world : Soviet/Russian Project 210 Losharik

The official name for this submarine type is "project 210". It is powered by an atomic reactor and due to unique spherical construction elements used is believed to be able to operate at depth of 6000 m. Those elements are hidden inside conventional submarine hull (perhaps for better hydrodynamics and lower noise frame). Founded in 1988 it became operational only in August 2003 due to financial problems that Russian military expirienced in 1990s. Losharik is designated for research, rescue and special military operations.
en.wikipedia.org...

It reportedly can dive to a depth of over 6,000 meters, and is said to be the most silent and hard-to-detect submarine in the Russian Navy. The new submarine is designed for special operations, scientific research and can also rescue crews of other submarines at great depths
www.globalsecurity.org...

It is a top-secret project and few details are available about its characteristics apart from the fact that it can sail at a depth of over 6,000 metres and is the most silent and hard-to-detect submarine in the Russian Navy.

"At certain speeds the submarine becomes practically invisible to enemy sonars and can carry out missions in any part of the world ocean," the paper said.

The new submarine is designed for "special operations" and can also rescue crews of other submarines at great depths.
nuclearno.com...

this submarine is practically invincible , and is supposed to be under command of special units of the military ,
most reports are silent on weaponization of sub , but certain reports state that it carries weapons

if weaponized , just 4 or 5 such subs can destroy most of the american submarines at will

the sub is practically near invincible and West has no such counterparts

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