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FOIA: Army CIC UFO Files Various Subjects Including "Horten Brothers - Flying Wing"

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posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 06:01 PM
I wanted to add that the US also had it's own version of the Flying Wing after WW2. The first was the Northrop Grumman B-35 Bomber, which was a four engine propeller design.

Later the YB-49, a jet powered version of the Flying Wing, was designed by the same company.

Neither of these designs were put into production due to the problems of stalling and tumbling out of control. This lead to the design being shelved until later it was revived in the B-2 bomber which was computer controlled and did not allow the plane to go into a stall.

posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 12:33 PM
Reference: Sergeant Clifford Stone's F.O.I.A document
The most important document in the 336 page pdf file collection is the document found on page 148, where the U.S. admits UFO’s exist, but isn’t dated. Page 149, appears initially to be the 2nd page, however, upon further examination, it appears to have been written by another person, presumably at a later date. Page 149, the author cites the Germans as the originators of the UFO aircraft. Refer to page 148 again for item b and the description of absence of sound. All other documents found in this pdf that refer to aircraft using some method of jet or rocket engine technology should be immediately discounted as a red herring.
Page 158 correlates with another mystery, Operation High-Jump. While I agree with Hal9000 that a number of outlandish claims were made to gain entry, it is peculiar that such an outrageous claim was made that correlated with Operation High-Jump. Note Operation High-Jump predated page 158 assuming that we have the correct date for page 158. Another side note, kindly also refer to Harz mountain facility, just exactly what date did the U.S. become aware of Harz mountain?
Page 200 is dated May 24, 1950 and discusses Russian activities surrounding UFO activity and could be of interest.
Page 218 is interesting and is dated January 4, 1957. The document uses new language, “COSMIC material.” Huh? How did we go from Germany to COSMIC?
I agree with the above response provided by JacKatMtn, indicating HAARP. My first thought was that of the Tesla howitzer, or scalar wars. EM technology can mimic a UFO in visual effects and both apparently cause a disruption of electronics.
For the most part, the majority of the documents were all dated after Operation High-Jump. Missing was any powerplant information that met the criteria of silent propulsion.
I would now like to get on my soapbox for a moment:
I recently decided to investigate alternative energy advances starting with the known popular methods. While reviewing a do it yourself website for windmills, someone suggested that the windmill blades be removed and a magnet engine be attached. At this point I went down a slippery slope of investigation into what is known as free energy devices. Along the way, I read about a divergence in textbooks circa 1930 whereby the conflicting theories of Faraday, Maxwell, Einstein and Tesla were conveniently eliminated. The Law of Thermodynamics of course taking precedence. What seemed interesting to me, being of a non scientific degree was the number of tinkerers, scientists, and academia that continued to pursue EM technology despite the knowledge of violating the Law of Thermal Dynamics. Also interesting, the roadblocks these individuals encountered while attempting to implement production of their creations, and the confiscation of documents and materials, starting with Tesla. I encourage anyone to research not just the inventions, but the people behind these inventions and their outcomes when it would appear that a real device was created.
Thus, I could no longer ignore the occasional UFO website link in the search engines any longer as unrelated. The obfuscation of UFO’s to me is just as related to the obfuscation of free energy devices. Most UFO threads on the internet focus on obtaining concrete photographic evidence, or the knowledge/existence of UFO’s by governments. The holy grail is obtaining information regarding the powerlant of a UFO and/or free energy device. Theory: Solve one and you will have solved the other. The obstacles are governments as it is a matter of control over the population and industries due to money. Yes, there is a lot of snake oil out there relating to free energy, but if you start with Faraday to the present, you will be intrigued. If there is a thread specifically dedicated to the powerplant of a UFO, I would like to find it. Your thoughts?

posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 03:59 PM
Please see
for independent replication

posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 07:42 PM

Originally posted by funmaxus
Page 218 is interesting and is dated January 4, 1957. The document uses new language, “COSMIC material.” Huh? How did we go from Germany to COSMIC?

Nice find.

I did a little checking and apparently that is an international document classification for NATO, which makes sense when dealing with scientists from Germany. The following pages are illegible, but I believe they pertain to Walter Horten.

When a government agency or group shares information between an agency or group of other country’s government they will generally employ a special classification scheme which both parties have previously agreed to honor. For example, sensitive information shared amongst NATO allies has five levels of security classification; from most to least classified, COSMIC TOP SECRET (CTS), FOCAL TOP SECRET (FTS), NATO SECRET (NS), NATO CONFIDENTIAL (NC), and NATO RESTRICTED (NR). A special case exists with regard to NATO UNCLASSIFIED (NU) information. This is NATO property and must not be made public without NATO permission.

Wikipedia: Classified information

Bold emphasis added.

posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 01:10 AM
Couldn't remember where I had seen it before, and finally found it again. Going back to the HAARP and the EM Telsa Howitzer. Tom Bearden's website shows a nice explanation and history of the weapon.

posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 11:28 PM
Something has been nagging at me about part of this story..

It is claimed that the object retrieved in the 1940s was taken from the fuselage of a British Spitfire Fighter aircraft that had crashed in 1944 over Denmark.

The first thing that struck me was that, it would be unusual for a Spitfire to found in that part of the Noerthern European skies in 1944, as it would have been , AFAIK, out of range of a standard Spitfire from bases in England and at the very limit of it's combat range flown from, even the most advanced Aliied airbase in late 1944.

Infact, i am pretty sure we can discount a standard Spitfire from crashing in Denmark in anything but late 1944 when the Allies had penetrated and secured much of the Netherlands.

It could have been a reconaisance MXI or Mark19, as they did have the range to reach Denmark but the Mark Xi was phased out in 1944 and replaced with the Mark 19..

Roughly 400 Allied aircraft were lost over Denmark, or in the seas around it. A list of many of them is here, including the names of crew where it is known.

As you can see for yourself, although it is an extensive and detailed archive there is not one Spitfire listed in the downed aircraft for 1944 , or any other year, for that matter. Infact the only single engined Aliied aircraft i can find, lost over Denmark, were all P51 Mustangs. That is no real surprise, as the Mustangs were, by 1944, accompanying Bombers on sorties as long range escorts.

Sadly, then i can find no corroboratory evidence to support that a Spitfire was lost due to the actions of a Foo Fighter over Denmark.

This doesn't mean it didn't happen and, given the unusual nature of the crash, maybe the Germans deliberately kept no open record of the crash. Again, hoewever it is surprising that the Danes, themselves, have no independent record of the incident.

The next factor we have to consider is this. Denmark was still occupied by German forces until, virtually, the end of WW2. To retrieve the object , in the first place, the exact location of the crash must have been known. One can only assume that the original report was made by either the Whermacht or the Luftwaffe.

I would say that it is perfectly feasible, given the unusual nature of the incident, that the Pilot radioed his plight and that both the Allies and Lutwaffe monitored it and therefore made a note to make a special attmept to ascertain exactly what had happened. Afterall, most aircrew, from both sides, thought Foo Fighters belonged to the other.

However there is a tantalising hint of what, maybe a clue, contained in the documents listed here. The Date May 12th 1948 appears on the report on page 7. One the site i have given the link for the following information is given "Most of the Americans were brought out of the country in April / May 1948 and transferred to Belgium and later to the United States."

Was the "artifact" shipped back after the excavations of the temporary graves were completed? Did a recovery crew slip into Denmark and retireve the artifact from the wreckage and were the Lutwaffe unaware of what had transpired?

Why was the artifact shipped to the USA when it involved a British aircraft? Did the British know this had actually happened? One assumes they did, as why were they looking for a crashed Spitfire so, dilligently, unless the pilot had managed to fire off some sort of message about his unusual plight?

Or was the object handed over to the Americans by the Lutwaffe after WW2? Did the Americans actively seek the artifact or, where they made aware of it by the Lutwaffe?

Continued in next post...

[edit on 21-1-2008 by FireMoon]

posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 11:32 PM
There is one other tantalising piece of evidence. A report of Foo fighter activity from 29/1/44, which, when cross refenced with the Danish list, shows that the Aliies did , indeed, lose several aircraft over Denmark that night. Maybe a reconassaince Spitfire was downed that same night after taking photos of the target. However, that is pure conjecture....

So so far i cannot find any independent corraoboratory evidence that a Spitfire ever crashed in Denmark, let alone one downed by a Foo Fighter.

I shall continue the search and am waiting replies from a couple more sources, where hopefully, more information might be forthcoming...

posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 08:48 AM

Originally posted by FireMoon
Something has been nagging at me about part of this story..

It is claimed that the object retrieved in the 1940s was taken from the fuselage of a British Spitfire Fighter aircraft that had crashed in 1944 over Denmark.

Where did you hear this from FireMoon? I wasn't aware of any additional info on the Denmark object. Sounds interesting. I would be interested in any information that you have.

posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 09:36 AM
reply to post by Hal9000 Think the information you are seeking is in Part 2 of this video, although all of it is worth a watch...

posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 08:37 PM

I Don't know if this will be any help.

According to this page:
Hans Henrik Jensen skriver også: En amerikansk spitfire blev også skudt ned, men den måtte vi
gerne se. Den blev liggende nogle dage dog med vagt (ved forenden af Kejsergade vest for

This man named Hans Henrik Jensen claims that a spitfire crashed near bov in Denmark.

posted on Jun, 8 2017 @ 06:35 AM
a reply to:
Would you be able to upload this document collection again? The current link isn't working. Fascinating stuff and I would love to see the full pages. Thanks so much.

posted on Jun, 8 2017 @ 06:39 AM
a reply to: JacKatMtn

Hi JacKatMTN - do you still have a copy of this document set? Or do you know of anyone who does? The current download link isn't working anymore and I'd love to read these files.

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