Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by SouthernBelle82

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No you are wrong!! If you want to debate the medias snubbing of RP or if you want to discuss your communitys involvment with RP and you can do so in a civil manner by all means do so. This thread is not about socialists vs. libertarians or republicans vs. democrats. You have derailed this thread and continue to do so, you have been insulting and crass, we have all had astonishing patience and I am quite proud of my fellow members but enough is enough.

I am afraid this thread will die a slow painful death now, I hope someone takes the OP's thoughts and the rest of the threads input into another thread that will grow more constructively. An ATS "straw" poll would be a great idea!!!

Originally posted by captainplanet
reply to post by SouthernBelle82

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So the people aren't involved with the fed govt? Hmm and here I thought we had a thing called Congressmen and Senators.

That’s not what I said. Giving power to the states allows for flexibility and the right of states to better adhere to their citizens.

Right so # it if I have to have an abortion on the emergency table. I'm supposed to travel to New York for an abortion (I live in the "Bible Belt"). I could be dead by then but I guess you don't care about that.

Under what circumstances would you be having an emergency abortion? And it would be the result of the people in your state.

Right and charities can pay off our debt? New one on me! How are you going to pay for that?

Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.
Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes and hire more employees, that tax cut is a good thing. Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy — that means all of us.
Real conservatives have always supported low taxes and low spending.
But today, too many politicians and lobbyists are spending America into ruin. We are nine trillion dollars in debt as a nation. Our mounting government debt endangers the financial future of our children and grandchildren. If we don’t cut spending now, higher taxes and economic disaster will be in their future — and yours.
In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”
Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending.
We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget. We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States.

Source: www.ronpaul2008.com...

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by SouthernBelle82

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No you are wrong!! If you want to debate the medias snubbing of RP or if you want to discuss your communitys involvment with RP and you can do so in a civil manner by all means do so. This thread is not about socialists vs. libertarians or republicans vs. democrats. You have derailed this thread and continue to do so, you have been insulting and crass, we have all had astonishing patience and I am quite proud of my fellow members but enough is enough.

I am afraid this thread will die a slow painful death now, I hope someone takes the OP's thoughts and the rest of the threads input into another thread that will grow more constructively. An ATS "straw" poll would be a great idea!!!

My thoughts exactly. This thread has been practically assassinated.... looking down on everyone and declaring yourself a socialist is the wrong way to approach any debate, but this has not been a debate, it's been alot of one-sided squawking about how Ron Paul is racist -

Could have been an excellent thread.

Originally posted by turbokid
reply to post by SouthernBelle82

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whats funny is i agree with you on most things Belle, but you jump to conclusions about who or what is at fault. i guarantee that the act of privatization isnt the problem, its the company (with contacts on the inside) that is the problem. There are plenty of good companies that would never have done such a thing. you can have privatization and oversight if you have the right people calling the shots, instead of pukes the likes of bush and cheney. You blame the privatization but its really the OVERSIGHT and the fact that the bush adminstration refuses to put contractors working for the US under US laws. thats where the trouble lies.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by NewWorldOver

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It is amazing how one person can manage to derail it like this. Usually it takes a little teamwork. I see the mods issued a warning, but it seemed to have no affect. The damage has been done.

Once again if Ron Paul was president he wouldn't have that power. Please try reading the Constitution okay? You might want to check that document out to see what powers the president actually has available to him with that whole checks and balance thing the founding fathers put in place.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by NewWorldOver

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It is amazing how one person can manage to derail it like this. Usually it takes a little teamwork. I see the mods issued a warning, but it seemed to have no affect. The damage has been done.

Originally posted by LouisXI


Who are YOU calling ignorant?

Socialism...oh theres the future! Look at the wonders it has accomplished in the U.S.S.R ! no wait... Well let's admire the glory of Cuba... no ummm well let's humble ourselves and learn from East Germany! .... no that won't do.. hmmm All hail Venechava !

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by NewWorldOver

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It is amazing how one person can manage to derail it like this. Usually it takes a little teamwork. I see the mods issued a warning, but it seemed to have no affect. The damage has been done.

I guess at this point that ignore button comes in real handy, huh?