Greetings my Ron Paul maniacs, may the "Ron Paul Revolution" engulf this country into our modern day enlightenment. I am so so glad to see how many supporters this great man has. I cant wait to walk in decked out in my Ron Paul gear and cast my ballot.

The question you guys had about the popular vote is quite complex. The way it works is that the popular vote is tabulated and the winner "theoretically is announced" this though is not the truth. When the vote goes to the electorial college they are strongly swayed by their state consensus to vote towards the state winner, but they "DONT" have to vote their electorial votes toward that candidate. This happened during Aaron Burr's presidential election one of the majority vote holders voted for Burr over his running mate propelling him to victory.

Lets keep the REVOLUTION moving...


Ron Paul.......Hope for America.

This is my first post here at ATS and I'm glad it is about Ron Paul.

Before coming across this site, I had no interest whatsoever in politics. After learning about all the things wrong with our current government and learning that the only way to change this country for the better is to vote, I am glad to say that me vote will be going to Mr. Paul. All it took for me was some simple reading, a few videos, and some logical reasoning to understand why he is the only chance our country has at turning around this mess we have gotten ourselves into.

Just yesterday on my way home from work I happened to notice a huge Ron Paul banner on an overpass on rt 10 here in NJ. The word is spreading. I have already passed the knowledge and ideas or Mr. Paul onto my girlfriend and he has her vote. I encourage all of you out there to take a few minutes out of your day and check out these videos and read up on his views.

Some of the statistics given in the videos are completely mind-boggling. If my memory serves me correctly, the actual cost of this war factoring in all hidden costs is over 3.5 TRILLION dollars. That amounts to $11,500 per person here in America. We need a change....something needs to be done...it will not come overnight, but we must realize that this could be our last chance to save the country our founding fathers fought so hard to establish.

The MSM has tried to hide him from the public but the movement is getting to big to contain. I look foward to casting the first vote of my life for this honest and sincere American.

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I have to say I thought last night on Glenn Beck was a very positive interview. He let Dr. Paul respond, and explain his points, of course he tried to go after him and discredit him by association, but Paul didnt bite. It was certainly alot better then when he was on the Lepre con Oreilly's show, Beck didnt shout him down, he let him talk and I commend him for that. So maybe this is the turning point, maybe? In any case you should show people that are on the fence that interview, I know my mom who was not even close to being a Paul supporter was definitely swayed last night.

It appears this thread is back on track, thank goodness.

What is the percentage of registered voters who vote in the primaries?

I ask because, I believe it is lower than in the general election.

I have a theory... that if ALL RP supporters were to vote in the primaries, he would get the nomination, then we don't have to hope he runs non-partisan or we have to write him in. Just get to the polls on February 5th (or whatever date your state is holding the primary) and vote! That is where it begins.

This is why he is going to win in my opinion. He might be out numbered by your average Rudi or Fred supporter but all of Paul's supporters are fanatics and they see this as the last chance to peacefully change the corrupt government. Come election day, the polls will be stocked with Paul voters.

To quote that oldest of election-time conspiracy quotes: "Those who cast the votes determine nothing. Those who count the votes determine everything." (Yussof Stalin)

Remember Jeb Bush overseeing the re-count of the votes? And then his li'l bro' became U.S. pres.? 'nuff said!

After reading every post in this thread (dear god my eyes are bleeding) I feel the need to throw my opinion in here.
I think Dr. Paul's support of removing ourselves from Iraq and keeping our noses out of everyone else's business is exactly why the msm is either a) not mentioning him or b) mentioning him in a mocking manner. Since I have yet to watch the beck interview I can't comment on it yet, but I have to say the fact that he has raised over 18 million in donations should speak to the fact that regardless of media coverage people still are aware of him and support him.

Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
Hun first of all you know # about me so please don't pretend like you do k? If you're playing psychic you're horrible at it. Stick to your own damn self. Second learn to actually READ. I didn't blame NAFTA, CAFTA etc on any man. I blamed it on the so-called "free market" thinking. Unlike you it seems I'm for a fair market. Maybe you should look into that. So because you claim to be some sort of "super voter" I should just automatically believe you? Sorry to disappoint you hun but it doesn't work like that. Prove it or shut it. So you think money should run our elections? Money should be the proof that someone is electable? Hmm and here I thought you guys were against that sort of thing. I guess not since it's your guy. Go figure. Oh of course. Blame the market on the banks and not the thinking of capitalism. I love how you guys are all for capitalism as long as it's you benefiting from it. LOL. Tell that to country's like Mexico and Venezuela. See how they feel about capitalism and the so-called "free market." I want a fair market where everyone gets to play instead of people who we just like. Maybe then we wouldn't have to resort to majority of our products being made in China where they're so careless and over run with sweatshops etc. that they poison products. And again hun I'm a socialist. Do some research on socialism instead of your own petty views and try to understand where other people are coming from. People are *gasps* actually okay with some of our ideas but oh the horror if we want to get involved with politics. Oh and don't come crying to me about a loss of a "nanny" state when you will need it one day. You act big and tough but I wonder how long you'll last really.

Originally posted by aravoth


hahahahahaha. yea, do some research on socialism. And when you do, come back and tell me how many times that has worked out.
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Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
I was wondering...
If the popular vote was overwhelmingly RP but the electoral votes were for another, what would happen?
I know this happened in 2000/2004 but it was a slight margin and Gore/Kerry just gave up, I don't think RP would just give up.
If RP does not when the primary but runs as an independent and wins the popular vote by a landslide, what happens?
If he won by write in, what would happen?

Just a slight correction... Bush won both the popular vote and the electoral vote in 2004. So even if the Electoral College was eliminated, Kerry would have lost in 2004 regardless.

As for your question... the popular vote doesn't matter if you don't win enough electoral votes. So, even if by some incredible miracle, Ron Paul won the popular vote (either as the Republican nominee or an Independent, or just a write-in) but lost the electoral vote, then there isn't anything he can do. He can scream and cry all he wants (and this applies to any candidate in the above-described situations) but nothing can be done. As long as a candidate wins the electoral votes fair and square, then he/she will be our next President.

Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
those of you who are African-American or a woman or other minorities you can kiss your vote goodbye cause we didn't get to vote until the Civil Rights Act which Ron Paul voted against.

This is a blatantly false statement.

Women got the right to vote in 1920 when the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified.

Black men got the right to vote in 1870 when the Fifteenth Amendment was ratified. We also know that most blacks were blocked from voting by discriminatory practices that were outlawed by the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Originally posted by Rasputin13

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
I was wondering...
If the popular vote was overwhelmingly RP but the electoral votes were for another, what would happen?
I know this happened in 2000/2004 but it was a slight margin and Gore/Kerry just gave up, I don't think RP would just give up.
If RP does not when the primary but runs as an independent and wins the popular vote by a landslide, what happens?
If he won by write in, what would happen?

Just a slight correction... Bush won both the popular vote and the electoral vote in 2004. So even if the Electoral College was eliminated, Kerry would have lost in 2004 regardless.

As for your question... the popular vote doesn't matter if you don't win enough electoral votes. So, even if by some incredible miracle, Ron Paul won the popular vote (either as the Republican nominee or an Independent, or just a write-in) but lost the electoral vote, then there isn't anything he can do. He can scream and cry all he wants (and this applies to any candidate in the above-described situations) but nothing can be done. As long as a candidate wins the electoral votes fair and square, then he/she will be our next President.

Well if thats the case, it doesnt sound very democratic to me.
Why should we even vote if our votes get canceled out by a couple of people that supposedly vote on behalf of us?
And why do we need such people to vote on behalf of us?
I have never understood this process, why can't we just have the popular votes and speak for ourselves.
And everything you said may be legal, but I don't think many Americans are going to stand by and just say "ok" if 1 candidate wins by a landslide on the popular vote but doesnt on electoral votes. I am pretty sure there would be quite a revolt if that happened, the law would have to change.