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I have a few words about Mr. Paul

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posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:11 AM
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Greetings my Ron Paul maniacs, may the "Ron Paul Revolution" engulf this country into our modern day enlightenment. I am so so glad to see how many supporters this great man has. I cant wait to walk in decked out in my Ron Paul gear and cast my ballot.

The question you guys had about the popular vote is quite complex. The way it works is that the popular vote is tabulated and the winner "theoretically is announced" this though is not the truth. When the vote goes to the electorial college they are strongly swayed by their state consensus to vote towards the state winner, but they "DONT" have to vote their electorial votes toward that candidate. This happened during Aaron Burr's presidential election one of the majority vote holders voted for Burr over his running mate propelling him to victory.

Lets keep the REVOLUTION moving...


Ron Paul.......Hope for America.




posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:57 AM
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This is my first post here at ATS and I'm glad it is about Ron Paul.

Before coming across this site, I had no interest whatsoever in politics. After learning about all the things wrong with our current government and learning that the only way to change this country for the better is to vote, I am glad to say that me vote will be going to Mr. Paul. All it took for me was some simple reading, a few videos, and some logical reasoning to understand why he is the only chance our country has at turning around this mess we have gotten ourselves into.

Just yesterday on my way home from work I happened to notice a huge Ron Paul banner on an overpass on rt 10 here in NJ. The word is spreading. I have already passed the knowledge and ideas or Mr. Paul onto my girlfriend and he has her vote. I encourage all of you out there to take a few minutes out of your day and check out these videos and read up on his views.

Some of the statistics given in the videos are completely mind-boggling. If my memory serves me correctly, the actual cost of this war factoring in all hidden costs is over 3.5 TRILLION dollars. That amounts to $11,500 per person here in America. We need a change....something needs to be done...it will not come overnight, but we must realize that this could be our last chance to save the country our founding fathers fought so hard to establish.

The MSM has tried to hide him from the public but the movement is getting to big to contain. I look foward to casting the first vote of my life for this honest and sincere American.

[edit on 19-12-2007 by b4christ15]

[edit on 19-12-2007 by b4christ15]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 09:31 AM
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I have to say I thought last night on Glenn Beck was a very positive interview. He let Dr. Paul respond, and explain his points, of course he tried to go after him and discredit him by association, but Paul didnt bite. It was certainly alot better then when he was on the Lepre con Oreilly's show, Beck didnt shout him down, he let him talk and I commend him for that. So maybe this is the turning point, maybe? In any case you should show people that are on the fence that interview, I know my mom who was not even close to being a Paul supporter was definitely swayed last night.

It appears this thread is back on track, thank goodness.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 09:39 AM
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At first, i post a comment about the donation( i checked few hours ago it was near 18 400 000 $), all this money for campaign seems absurd to me, and people start with that( the fat i'm against ron paul) and then i gave my view about POLITICIAN not Ron Paul only, so i don't think i missed any point, if you think he is the good one, good for you, it's your choice.

I did the search before and look some videos, frankly all i see the same political circus: promises, change, no more taxes etc... sorry but it's not the first time i heard that and when it's the time to realize promises suddenly like by magic, nothing happen.

Sorry to don't believe in this so-called democracy but she did her proof, proof that politician can't change anything except their profits!

Maybe i'm wrong and with all sencerity i hope it for you but don't be disappointed if one day you'll see he is just like the others.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 09:53 AM
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So what is the choice? Sit in the Lazy Boy and eat Cheetos while the rich and powerful do whatever they want?

I find that saying they're all bad is just a "cop out". (How's that for a phrase that dates me?) The refusal to take any action because there is no clearcut path to total happiness is exactly what those who seek power and control want. As long as they can maintain the illusion of helplessness among the majority, they retain the power to control.

Your attitude makes you a poster boy for the would be NWO (or whatever name can be applied to the Hydra headed monstrosity of the Military Industrial Complex). The Federal Government has become a tool of the rich elitists, fostering the image that Americans are helpless without "Daddy Fed" there to manage every aspect of life. And the two party system has subliminally inserted the idea that there's not a damn thing any one person can do to change it.

And you swallowed that idea hook, line, and sinker.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 11:22 AM
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I never said do nothing is better, it's the perfect inverse, i want people act but not by voting, vote is just make to control us, we tryed so much goverment, so much different party politic, what i want is people take the courage to say NO, the power to go in the streets and take back their rights, i'm sick of resignation, elect another muppet will just recover the problem not solve it, open your eyes, what really change since the vote exist, no more slavery you will say then i will reply you that replace it by the work, work or die, one way system.
Freedom? which freedom? the liberty to walk in the streets and being controlled by cops because you look to be bad, or worst being arrested and even beaten up? the liberty to show your paper to cross an invisible line?
Yes it's sure we have the choice, resign yourself or DIE.

And please, me a defender of the rich elits?

It seems that here on ats people have the bad habit to juge posters without
knowing them, i piss on those egocentric rich scum, so please never judge me again and by the way, if everybody was sitting and eating cheetos all the time the rich will be in a bad situation, no worker then no money then no rich, so sometimes it's better to do nothing and look at them destroying theirself!



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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You stated you need more proof that the news media is being manipulated - okay - go to the website AngelsAgainstChildPredators.com and click on the community forum section - check out ALL the articles regarding OUR government - AND THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION - YES, THE NEWS MEDIA IS BEING MANIPULATED BY THE CRIMINALS IN OUR GOVERNMENT - THEY ARE PEDOPHILES - DRUG DEALERS - THEY BLACK MAIL THEIR OWN.

It's not rocket science people. That organization has over 12 million in support - BUT YOU DON'T SEE THAT ON THE NEWS NOW DO YOU?!!!



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:03 PM
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What is the percentage of registered voters who vote in the primaries?

I ask because, I believe it is lower than in the general election.

I have a theory... that if ALL RP supporters were to vote in the primaries, he would get the nomination, then we don't have to hope he runs non-partisan or we have to write him in. Just get to the polls on February 5th (or whatever date your state is holding the primary) and vote! That is where it begins.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:22 PM
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This is why he is going to win in my opinion. He might be out numbered by your average Rudi or Fred supporter but all of Paul's supporters are fanatics and they see this as the last chance to peacefully change the corrupt government. Come election day, the polls will be stocked with Paul voters.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:22 PM
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To quote that oldest of election-time conspiracy quotes: "Those who cast the votes determine nothing. Those who count the votes determine everything." (Yussof Stalin)

Remember Jeb Bush overseeing the re-count of the votes? And then his li'l bro' became U.S. pres.? 'nuff said!



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:26 PM
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reply to post by gingerly
 


I think maybe you should read what I wrote again


Anyway, I hope that beck interview helped



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 01:11 PM
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What would happen after your revolution? Lets just say you weren't all gunned down by the National Guard, that you somehow pulled off a victory and stormed the Whitehouse and "took back" your country. What would you do then? Would you declare yourself dictator and oppress all who oppose you? Or would you get a bunch of smart people together and form laws of Equality and Liberty and hold elections? Then how would you enforce those laws? What would happen when someone decides they want to take over?

I think you'll find that if you really think it through, all we need to do is go back to what we started this country about. Your revolution is just a messy way of getting back to where we started. Ron Paul's revolution is a smart way of getting back to where we were trying to go. I strongly suggest you rethink your strategy.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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After reading every post in this thread (dear god my eyes are bleeding) I feel the need to throw my opinion in here.
I think Dr. Paul's support of removing ourselves from Iraq and keeping our noses out of everyone else's business is exactly why the msm is either a) not mentioning him or b) mentioning him in a mocking manner. Since I have yet to watch the beck interview I can't comment on it yet, but I have to say the fact that he has raised over 18 million in donations should speak to the fact that regardless of media coverage people still are aware of him and support him.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 05:35 PM
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Support him? some of us support him so strongly that it is a matter of life and death. We know that our way of life is fast becoming a past tense. There are only two ways to reclaim America: elect Ron Paul or revolt.

I have known war, too well, and because I know what will come of a failure to return to our Constitution, I urge everyone who reads these words to seek a candidate that will do this. It seems to be our last hope before the die is cast for war.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 06:01 PM
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Yes, you must be correct! The millions of people that once/are just like you, who decided that they can trust Ron Paul and truly believe he is the right answer -- are all just stupid fools, right? There must be nothing special about this person in particular that is causing this movement.

Don't you see... this IS the revolution. You just choose to not be a part of it, because you can't get passed the fact that it involves having to play by the system and vote. If you really did your research on Ron Paul, you'd know there hasn't been a politician for much longer than you or I were born -- who shares the same consistency, integrity, common sense, and actual determination to FIX the nation.

You're either too dumb to understand this, or just too arrogant to admit it -- to submit to the system, even if it's really for the greater good.

Sad. But fortunately for us, the Revolution has already gotten too big for just a few stubborn guys/girls to make a difference anyway. Just thought it would of been nice for all of us who are alike, to be a part of it.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
Hun first of all you know # about me so please don't pretend like you do k? If you're playing psychic you're horrible at it. Stick to your own damn self. Second learn to actually READ. I didn't blame NAFTA, CAFTA etc on any man. I blamed it on the so-called "free market" thinking. Unlike you it seems I'm for a fair market. Maybe you should look into that. So because you claim to be some sort of "super voter" I should just automatically believe you? Sorry to disappoint you hun but it doesn't work like that. Prove it or shut it. So you think money should run our elections? Money should be the proof that someone is electable? Hmm and here I thought you guys were against that sort of thing. I guess not since it's your guy. Go figure. Oh of course. Blame the market on the banks and not the thinking of capitalism. I love how you guys are all for capitalism as long as it's you benefiting from it. LOL. Tell that to country's like Mexico and Venezuela. See how they feel about capitalism and the so-called "free market." I want a fair market where everyone gets to play instead of people who we just like. Maybe then we wouldn't have to resort to majority of our products being made in China where they're so careless and over run with sweatshops etc. that they poison products. And again hun I'm a socialist. Do some research on socialism instead of your own petty views and try to understand where other people are coming from. People are *gasps* actually okay with some of our ideas but oh the horror if we want to get involved with politics. Oh and don't come crying to me about a loss of a "nanny" state when you will need it one day. You act big and tough but I wonder how long you'll last really.


Originally posted by aravoth


hahahahahaha. yea, do some research on socialism. And when you do, come back and tell me how many times that has worked out.
:]




posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
I was wondering...
If the popular vote was overwhelmingly RP but the electoral votes were for another, what would happen?
I know this happened in 2000/2004 but it was a slight margin and Gore/Kerry just gave up, I don't think RP would just give up.
If RP does not when the primary but runs as an independent and wins the popular vote by a landslide, what happens?
If he won by write in, what would happen?


Just a slight correction... Bush won both the popular vote and the electoral vote in 2004. So even if the Electoral College was eliminated, Kerry would have lost in 2004 regardless.

As for your question... the popular vote doesn't matter if you don't win enough electoral votes. So, even if by some incredible miracle, Ron Paul won the popular vote (either as the Republican nominee or an Independent, or just a write-in) but lost the electoral vote, then there isn't anything he can do. He can scream and cry all he wants (and this applies to any candidate in the above-described situations) but nothing can be done. As long as a candidate wins the electoral votes fair and square, then he/she will be our next President.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
those of you who are African-American or a woman or other minorities you can kiss your vote goodbye cause we didn't get to vote until the Civil Rights Act which Ron Paul voted against.


This is a blatantly false statement.

Women got the right to vote in 1920 when the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified.

Black men got the right to vote in 1870 when the Fifteenth Amendment was ratified. We also know that most blacks were blocked from voting by discriminatory practices that were outlawed by the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
I was wondering...
If the popular vote was overwhelmingly RP but the electoral votes were for another, what would happen?
I know this happened in 2000/2004 but it was a slight margin and Gore/Kerry just gave up, I don't think RP would just give up.
If RP does not when the primary but runs as an independent and wins the popular vote by a landslide, what happens?
If he won by write in, what would happen?


Just a slight correction... Bush won both the popular vote and the electoral vote in 2004. So even if the Electoral College was eliminated, Kerry would have lost in 2004 regardless.

As for your question... the popular vote doesn't matter if you don't win enough electoral votes. So, even if by some incredible miracle, Ron Paul won the popular vote (either as the Republican nominee or an Independent, or just a write-in) but lost the electoral vote, then there isn't anything he can do. He can scream and cry all he wants (and this applies to any candidate in the above-described situations) but nothing can be done. As long as a candidate wins the electoral votes fair and square, then he/she will be our next President.


Well if thats the case, it doesnt sound very democratic to me.
Why should we even vote if our votes get canceled out by a couple of people that supposedly vote on behalf of us?
And why do we need such people to vote on behalf of us?
I have never understood this process, why can't we just have the popular votes and speak for ourselves.
And everything you said may be legal, but I don't think many Americans are going to stand by and just say "ok" if 1 candidate wins by a landslide on the popular vote but doesnt on electoral votes. I am pretty sure there would be quite a revolt if that happened, the law would have to change.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by SurvivorofBrutality
reply to post by SEEWHATUDO
 



You stated you need more proof that the news media is being manipulated - okay - go to the website AngelsAgainstChildPredators.com and click on the community forum section - check out ALL the articles regarding OUR government - AND THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION - YES, THE NEWS MEDIA IS BEING MANIPULATED BY THE CRIMINALS IN OUR GOVERNMENT - THEY ARE PEDOPHILES - DRUG DEALERS - THEY BLACK MAIL THEIR OWN.

It's not rocket science people. That organization has over 12 million in support - BUT YOU DON'T SEE THAT ON THE NEWS NOW DO YOU?!!!

Did you even read the post? My entire OP was about how I needed NO more proof of a cover up.



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