I don't believe Billy Meier is a hoax, but I do believe he no longer has control over who speaks for him. I question Michael Horn's intentions, especially after the thread recently made on him of his false claims on the tree experts.

Has anyone here watched the DVD (Alex Collier Vol.2)? I can spend the 5 bones, watch it, and review it for you guys here if you like. Hell, I just spent 13 bucks on King of Kong: Fistful of Quarters. 5 aint gunna break me.

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VisionQuest I would greatly appreciate if you would review it. I don't know anyone who has bought Volume two.

can i get a link for that please?

Can you please post a link for it on Google video or something would love to see it as well! Only one I found is the his original 94 video hard to find more of him!

ANYONE HAS LINKS TO HIS VIDEOS >>> PLZ POST THEM HERE!

Cheers

if he has the video, let him post it on this site

www.esnips.com...

put it in a private folder and we can send him our emails to invite us...and watch it because alex doesn't want it going viral yet.

I just finnished reading "Defending Sacred Ground" What a great book, I definetly recomend it to all interested in UFOs in general. It really rings true with alot of other sources, one of wich is personal to me, wich confirms his version on the time frame of US government being in contact with ET's.

I hope he adresses all the things he predicted that never happened, I find the man so credible on a personal level, and I find his message credible on a spiritual level, I even could not find fault with his version of history, I just have trouble with the predictions he made that never came true, as this is the only test of a true profit possible.

Perhaps things changed, maybe for the better maybe, by the sound of his negative attitude, its for the worse. I hope we are not destined to become reptile food. But if his other predictions didn't come to pass maybe more than a few hundred million of us will reach 5th desnity too.

I intend to do what I can for the lifting of the veil on myself wich hides our past lives, it would help me to know my mission better. HINT,HINT any friendly positive ET's reading this!

Also I sure wish someone would ask Alex about the Akaushic field, and the book of life, we humans could really use accses to that right about now. It also ring true with alot of what Alex talks about.

I geuss I'll try and order the DVD when I am able, I just gotta see it.

The one thing that I liked about his predictions is that he has always said that they aren't predictions - they are probabilities. But I too would be interested to know what may have changed the outcome. Personally I find him to be believable, especially considering that all the interviews I've read with him are consistent and don't contradict each other.

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Has anyone else read the book? What did you all think? Here is the link to the free online version, with a few less pictures:

Defending Sacred Ground 1

Yes it's true he always gave a probibility percentage instead of saying this is what will happen like an actual biblical prophit. That's the main reson it doesn't discount everything else in my mind.

To be honest I found one tiny contradiction, out of the whole book and every interview I've read wich in its self is remarkable, I probably couldn't do better myself even telling what I knew as truth.

What I found was that he talks about the draconians haveing space travel for 4billion years, he says it more then 5 or 6 times, and just one other time he said 3billion. He may have been talking about an earlier time, as in they NOW have had it 4billion years, but at the time they only HAD it 3billion years. A minor point in importance to the story, that could have been a misprint anyway.

I hope he is able to get past his negative feelings I saw expressed in the latest interview from one of the links earlier in this thread, he sounded defeated. But he of all people should know you can't be responsible for the actions and feelings of others, just yourself.

His story has helped me to work on myself, and I feel I have made progress, my family seems to think so, but I haven't fullfilled my intention yet, so I'm still working at it.

You know the alien part of his message is fine, but what I got mainly was personal. ALL the facts presented about aliens could be false and still the rest of it about personal responsibilty would ring true.

I really liked Collier and his message. He was so serious. He didn't try to sell himself or his personality, he didn't 'talk down' to people trying to make himself seem important. He was really all about the information and you could see how worried he was about our species making it through the coming times.

I agree he seemed convinced that we were going to lose, that we weren't going to wake up in time. I now believe that we are waking up like he predicted but in much smaller numbers...

you know.....a friend of mine has given me VERY useful information regarding to this site.....you guys say that you open minded and so forth with conspiracies and so forth....and that you say anything at face value....get a load of this...

"I'd love to discuss the Meier case on other forums but not that one. (ATS) There's just too much negativety on there. People arent't debating, there arguing and bashing each other."


AboveTopSecret.com is a Government COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) Disinformation Operation that is CIA and Government funded to publish and promote disinformation as part of the U.S. Government's agenda to deflect and discredit conspiracy theorists.


The proof -

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Other forms of proof -

Trace route on www.abovetopsecret.com... the Node Name is listed and maintained by the government.

IP Address 213.206.128 213.206.129 213.206.130

Node Name Gov-bb21-lan-14 Gov-bb22-lan-15 Gov-bb23-lan-16

Location Langley, Virginia
MS 60

Network Used whois.nic.mil (for military network information)

It was difficult to get the IP Address, It was spoofed and looped over 9 times. Anyway Langley, Virginia is where the CIA headquarters is. I'm more than concerned.

www.redpillpress.com.au...

I wouldn't bother wasting your time too much with trying to promote the Meier on ATS forum because you will be simply overwhelmed and hounded with great skepticsm and laughter like Michael Horn always is/was. Its only a few people/members there that were aliasing as all those people that were attacking Michael Horn in his discussions there. TerraX, Masonic Light, ect are PAID debunkers.

Michael would obviously know this. I take my hat to him for (still) trying though.

Syndrah, you are pretty much correct. If your friend is looking for a civilized and intelligent debate on the Meier case, this is not the place. If you haven't noticed, nearly everyone here reacts quite emotionally when the Meier case is discussed.

Hmm, well we were doing ok on this thread anyway.

So, where would you recomend? I don't know anywhere else to talk about this stuff at all.

Besides I've seen this kind of thing on all forums, I think the fearfull just come here more looking for the next thing to fear. Good sheeple need thier daily dose, and the man gives them a regular one here. The sheeple then 'baaaa' real load at the scary thing, and they all feel better, knowing they pleased the master. Sad really.

Besides, when you fear anything, as Alex said, its simpley out of a misunderstanding of the situation. I'm not going to fear the CIA here or anywhere, they'll get me when its my time, not a second sooner. Don't fear, fear is the mind killer, fear is the tool of the enemy, and fear is the best friend of tyranny.

Bumping thread to allow the latest post to show.

STM

Edit to add: Okay, this is plain weird. I saw this thread revived on Recent Posts by a member named Anonymous ATS and clicked to read their post. No post was showing, so I posted thinking the thread was hung up. Still no post showing for Anonymous ATS. Is this a new ATS game? Or is Anony haunting us?

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I would think there are quite a few gov't agencies who would check out this forum every now and then just for updates on the latest conspiracy theory circulating out there. That we are living in a dangerous world now, it would seem the prudent thing to do...





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Nothing on google or wiki... Weird you say??? I would call that typical personally..

Alex collier is too cool for school in my and my wifes opinion and anyone we know who has watched this has said the same thing we have. There doesnt even seem to be a split second where he comes across as anything but a genuine guy who is pissed off with what the situation is and wants to do what he can to catalyse change..

This interview to me was similar to watching Dan Akroyd Unplugged on UFO's, it gripped me from the start and I felt like I was listening to a very wise man

In fact I cant think who is cooler, Collier or Ackroyd.. THEY BOTH RULE

We have all been asleep for far too long. It is past time to wake up.

He is the real deal.


I won't stand by and wait any longer. will you?