Most science jobs are loose. They have to publish or perish.

If they don't keep up with the times, then they're not tight and should seek employment elsewhere.

Good insight.

Yes, me too!!

thanks for the primer too...

Wow, I just saw this video. Amazing!

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Hi 11one11, your absolutely correct in you assumption about Jupiter and Io, It's all part of the circuitry of the solar system, the current is stepped down from the enormous galactic spiral arm currents to the sun then to the planets and moons.
That's impressive you came to that conclusion yourself.

www.thunderbolts.info...

The Thunderbolts picture of the day section is a treasure trove of alternative interpretations, several dealing with Io. Here's a link to the subject index.
www.thunderbolts.info...

As for the Crop Circle, I wouldn't be confident in interpreting that particular one with any accuracy, however I have found the genuine circles are in the language of resonance, sacred geometry (which is also related to resonance) and fractal geometry, the language of the universe itself. They're are many cosmological representations as well. The underlying message is to do with harmonics. This can definitely be related to EU theory. The last couple of posts in that thread sum up what I believe the general message is. I know what many members here think about crop circles, so I'd rather not go there in this thread, but I do have some new information I'll be adding to that thread soon, So please Join in.

Well thanks very much for the replies people, there are obviously more EU enthusiasts here at ATS than I thought. I’m a self confessed addict myself.
The implications are enormous and profound not only for technology and cosmology, but also on a human level. It shows how closely connected to the cosmos we really are, brainwave frequencies reflect the resonance of the ionosphere and studies show that biological mechanisms respond to these same frequencies known as Schumann resonance. All life dances to the beat of the ionosphere.
Cellular structure is synonymous with things like double layers, conductors and capacitors etc… Without electricity your muscles would not contract, your heart would not beat, all your senses translate the external world into electrical signals for your brain to interpret, you would not even think without it. We ourselves are bio-electric machines.

Bio-Plasma physics anyone?

It also offers an insight into our forgotten past through a scientific perspective on mythology. Anthony Perrat’s studies and comparison to ancient petroglyphs and plasma formations are astonishing to say the least.
This was brought up in ZueZZ’s thread, check it out, lots of pictures and links.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The question as to why NASA has not acknowledged the role of electricity in space is a difficult one, a question with many answers I would say. I recommend taking a look at “Universe – Cosmology Quest” for an insight into this unfortunate situation, It’s a two hour documentary the first half deals with the origins and history of the gravity only theories and the heart of this problem, the second half takes a look into plasma cosmology. An absolute must see if you’re a space nerd.

Cosmology Quest

By the way, NASA also ignored and refused to acknowledge Wall Thornhill’s many accurate predictions made regarding the deep impact mission. While all the results startled the NASA team, these were expected from the electrical theorists.

I thought I’d throw in some more evidence recently verified; It’s been a great month for EU theory!
Saturn Ringed by Electric Doughnut



I know what your thinking, Mmmm… Electric doughnuts….drool.
Sorry, had to be said.



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Hi all, I'm new to ATS but have been surfing for quite a while. Great Thread and I am hooked on this theory. One question for those more educated to answer: How would this theory affect lightning? Seems that scientists are not absolutely sure how lightning is formed except with static charges? Could this theory explain a charged atmosphere?

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ignore my post---------my sense of humor is strange?------------i really think that alot more energy is being transmitted to earth from the sun than a mere 19 1/2 billion watts worth of the plasma electric field we think we receive.it has to be more than would take care of the present earth with its animals /oceans/weather systems and 7 billion people-----how to accurately do that math instead of for only 28 million cold eskimos ?somebody wake up einstein to help us please

This whole theory just makes my head spin. Im not sure I understand it all..but if what im hearing, this means that for years scientists have been wrong about certain aspects of the theory of gravity. It punches a hole in the idea that space is "empty" and just basically turns all we know of physics in general upon its head. Somehow this energy is streaming into the earth and could somehow be harnessed. What I really dont understand tho is abuot the sun being electric..I mean its being powered by nuclear forces right? Fusion at the Nth degree? or is this idea too being shot to death? Im terrible with math and dont understand the "Hard" mathematical side of things..but I do understand the basic concepts and ideas...could anyone lay it (EU theory) out a lil cleaner for me? or am I just too dumb to get it?

waow. this thread has to be one of the best on this site! I want to do physics as a career and i'm so glad i read this, it's going to make physics class a bit more interesting

anyway, I have a question... if this theory proves to be true and we learn more, will it affect our ability to reach and surpass the speed of light?? or does this theory make it even more of an impossiblity?

Thanks

I don't know what "they" you are talking about, but I feel your pain.



Birkeland was a visionary scientist for sure, and ahead of its time, which happens, you know. He's not alone among the scientists whose ideas could be truly proven only with advent of more advanced instruments (cf. atomic theory of matter). I really don't see your point. Birkeland did not have spacecraft to actually map out the magnetic field in space. So as brilliant as his theory was, it was finally proven only recently.



How is it relevant to the topic of the discussion and the exuberant reaction of some of this forum's guests? It's a very, very neat piece of physics but I find it hardly an earth-shattering discovery (compare to the discovery of nuclear fission in the 30s).




You don't know that, so I dismiss that as empty talk.



Oh, you are so damn cavalier about science and its achievements, my friend. I urge you to meditate on how inefficient science is next time you post your condescending messages on this forum (courtesy science that brought this tech to you), when you buy a BlueRay DVD or a high tech condom or use GPS to get to pharmacy in time before it closes for the night. Sheesh.


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well here is something the standard model cant explain.



And ofcourse the supposed inner Nuclear core of the sun (witch can't be proven )...

The sunspots wich are black in center are explained in the standard model as magnetic variations in the surface, but fails to explain how thoose magnetic fields comes to life...

So i guess you agree in your own words, that the above unknown factors can be dismissed and taken out of the standard model?
After all you said: "You don't know that, so I dismiss that as empty talk"


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I might be saying something stupid but if the sun's output stopped completely for days don't you think that would be noticed? Like no light for a few days would hardly go unnoticed

Thats why you where provided a link to NASA



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I don't know if this fits in here, but I'll leave that up to you folk to decide. I'm not that well versed in this Electric Universe theory...

Hinode Reveals New Insights About The Origin Of Solar Wind

Plasma Cosmology will only continue to be verified as more and more data is looked at from the proper paradigm.

Excellent thread Squiz.

Amazing stuff -- I had heard of the electric Universe theory before but never really read into it. Started to get me thinking... There are are stars which are so big, that they could ingulf an entire galaxy -- right? And since there is no heat eminating from the inside, and assuming it could be hollow, imagine the actual visual aspect of the sun being a 'protective barrier', and inside a galaxy where there are planets and civilizations thriving.

Fun to think.

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Which does not explain where science establishments or their power to suppress certain areas of discover or research comes from. Why have you chosen to believe that scientist do not consider themselves to be well versed in their various fields and why do you think they will not defend the convention they were taught in university. In fact why don't you seem to be aware of the fact that they do?



Science may be but the various government and private funded science establishments are most certainly not.



And that's a very short list of some of the major discoveries/breakthroughs that were held up due to the machinations of science organizations or individuals.



If it's so never ending why do so many scientist spend the majority of their lives defending theories that are in the vast majority of instances just plain wrong?



So how often do we hear them admit they are in fact wrong and when is he going to admit to all the other mistakes he has made or supported?



It HAS failed. Even Einstein got something right without having to steal the idea!.



And they do not work at certain scales because they are not really accurate or useful. Even a broken clock is right twice a day and if we manage theories that corresponds to only certain subsets of data we should employ it as practically possible while moving on to advance or replace it.



So now we have evidence for multi verses? Right.... Are we discussing science here or not?



And yet the foundation of modern electrodynamics is horribly flawed and based on acceptance of dipoles as perpetual motion machines. This obviously does not stop the science establishment from branding those who talk about vacuum energy extraction 'perpetual motion nuts' as most of them are either to ignorant to understand the inherent contradiction they have accepted or simply do not care to consider anything that might undermine their standing.



And vested interest just do not exist and combustion engines are the best solution for cars and the like! It's just fascinating what sort of fanaticism and scorn proper indoctrinate can yield in the university trained mandarin classes.



Science have advanced over the centuries so clearly the indoctrination is not always effective in preventing some establishment scientist from thinking that they are in fact supposed to advance their fields in any which way they choose.



And that only proves that they are by no means stupid and know exactly how to play the ball and keep their jobs and standing in the community and class they have decided to serve for personal benefit. Sure most of them may not go into science knowing or understanding what will happen but what they do not know is that did not manage to get into college or university by accident and that they are in fact the type of people the establishment believes it can properly indoctrinate to further its ends. Those who go their by simply being oblivious are in for a rude shock the moment they arrive at conclusions that do not suit the corporate/ruling class interest at which point all their standing and credentials are unlikely to save their careers.

Stellar

I found a good description of the electric sun at; www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

another page about the electric sun, with references; www.plasma-universe.com...



This recent paper in the IEEE journal of plasma science says that a new electrical theory of stars is required; ieeexplore.ieee.org...




Looks as if more astronomers are starting to pay attention to this now.

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Hey there dreadphil, hopefully I can clarify a few points.
A theory for gravity is still up for grabs, (I personally think it is an electrostatic effect). The issue with gravity is that all our current models for the universe are solely based on it, It's considered the only force that exists on the the large scale, It's safe to say now this is not the case. Electromagnetism is a thousand, billion, billion, billion, billion times stronger than gravity and is repulsive as well as attractive. Newtons laws are accurate to a degree, as has been pointed out already. In fact Coulombs law which is used for calculating the force between charges is fundamentally the same as Newtons law, to me this hints that gravity is a product of electrical forces.
And yes space is not a pure vacuum but is filled with charged particles, this is accepted as fact these days, the density is roughly a particle for every cubic cm, (just a generalization of course) but on a galactic scale it would be like a thick soup.

EU theory is not challenging conventional physics, on the contrary it's incorporating well defined sciences of plasma physics and electrical engineering that have been proven in the lab and are at work in the technology all around us. These aspects have been ignored by astrophysicist who seem to like to invent hypothetical forces to explain their observations. Simply because space is considered electrically neutral, even though they are fully aware of the vast extent magnetic fields in space permeate.

No, the sun is not nuclear powered. Fusion is occurring at the corona where the heat is the greatest, it's an effect not the cause. Plasma Z-pinch is one of the processes being used on Earth to achieve fusion. The highest temperatures on Earth ever have been achieved through this process, the same process at work at the sun's double layer or corona.
Google the Z machine for info.

To get a basic understanding of EU theory watch the tutorial "Thunderbolts of the Gods" it's meant for the layman and explains the concepts very simply.
It's linked here a page back I think, but watch it at Google at full resolution.

interesting. The sun needs an orbital studying facility.