The answer to ets being hostile is in our civilization. We are already trying to find habitable planets to live on in the future. If a planet is habitable then there may be a good chance that it is already populated. If we are desperate to survive then we may exterminate the life on the other planet so we have room. This may be the case with ets. Huge et civilizations will probably need massive amounts of resources and room. They could be looking for our signal to steal our planet and natural resources. This is why there is a good chance they are hostile.

Originally posted by last time here
i honestly believe this whole conversation is mute and a "planted story".
government already knows there are ebes out there and they know
who MOST of them are. this is as silly as there being people on earth
who die from malaria. there is no good reason anyone on planet earth
should starve or not have clean water..no good reason. greed and power
are not good reasons.

Yea! I fear humans more than aliens. There are some scary people here that might do us in for no more than greed and power. How sick is that?

We have the means to solve ALL or MOST our problems world wide. We don't however because???

I might expect an alien who has seen and had the experience of many worlds, other species and the results of love, compassion, intelligence and wonder on those worlds to be a much better "person?" than the ones who are bleeding us all to death for power and control. here already What folly!

Beings from many worlds have been here since the first glimmers of an Earth civilization. And, that could have been a few Earth civilizations ago. So the statement of evil aliens is less than silly now.

So, as a species, judge not, lest we be judged in like. We have no perspective yet. We can only watch it all unfold from our cloistered no-fly-zone planet in wonder and with our hearts hopefully opened to new understanding as it comes.

ZG

With countless planets out there for the human condition, I doubt they would want to lower themseves to our enviroment to survive. But maybe for growth.

They are just waiting for humans to unfold themselves so they will survive.

Without ALL chainlinks of humanity we would cease to exist.

Whats in humanity:

The compassion of a lioness and her cubs to survive.

My .02 cents,

I look at it like this; humans will inevitably begin to colonize other worlds. We will do so with the following stratagem:

1. Resource aquisition & development

The first part of the strategy would be finding planets/planetoids/asteroids/etc that had suitable minerals/elements that would be usefull here on the home-world. We will most likely find them in our own solar system. We would also embark on the long-range goal of terra-forming close by worlds with the thought of developing agriculture on another planet to supplement depleted resources here on home-world (i.e. imagine an entire planet that is slated as an "agro-world", it's sole purpose being the utilization of it's entire surface to produce crops for shipment back to earth). This will inevitably lead to......

2. Colonization
The problem of overpopulation will impel us as a civilization to colonize other parts of our solar system. The prerequisites being accomplished in the first phase (i.e. identification of potential planets for terra-forming; mineral/element extraction, resource development, intra-solar-system shipping/mining/etc) which would require small "working" colonies similar in nature to oil drilling rigs here on the earth. Once the initial development phases have been implemented there would be incentives given to people to move "off" home-world and settle in new worlds that have undergone terra-forming; just as the US gave incentives to people to settle the "wild west".


Along the way we will encounter "pests" of various sorts that "are" hostile to our biology.... we will deal with them like we deal with all things hostile to us.... we will kill them. It doesn't matter if it is bacteria, viral, parasitic or another type of lifeform. If it is an advanced lifeform (i.e. sentient, conscious, etc) we may try to communicate with it. If there are no misunderstandings we might not fight it at first, especially if it is obviously more advanced than we.

But if it isn't more advanced than we are and it is in the way we just might kill it......

If it is more advanced than us it just might decide to kill us first for whatever reasons it/they might have.

The bottom line is "life feeds on life" and that is the way it is throughout the cosmos. So, if an advanced civilization were to see earth and decide that it wanted our planet designated as their "agro-world", we would be in the way. They would exterminate us, plant crops and that would be that.....

-Euclid



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Now ask yourselves is E.T phenomenon NEW OR OLD. lol

By the way New Age is actually the Golden Age of long ago. The Old Age.

Nothing is new just repeated through existance.

Like me talking to you right now.

'Your prophets of the sky' have been around forever.

But refined yes.

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Well as I see it, after all these years of comms radiating out to the multiverse, they probably already know we're here.

It is pretty reasonable to say that if they are more advanced they will come to us before we get to them...but what does advanced mean?

More compassion, like humans are showing the planet and it's inhabitants? As a species we argue about everything and time and time again arguments lead to escalation. One of our biggest faults is belief, belief we are right, belief in belief, belief in what we do not know!!

Yes ET, if he is out there may be violently disposed towards us. I think if I visited a world where the dominant species was destroying it, I would feel the need to do something...maybe he would too.

But really I don't think it relevant. If they are already on the way, there is nothing we can do....except like the jews at Masada, deny them victory I suppose....but maybe we are on the way to this with our treatment of the Earth already

So as I see it we can't do 'owt about it and the very possible threats of global-warming and meteor strike will probably affect us before we succumb to a master race...and if we're honest...we can't do much about them either....

So as Frasier from "Dads Army" says "We're doomed!!".

I feel a kind of peace knowing we won't be round much longer....

Originally posted by menguard

Now ask yourselves is E.T phenomenon NEW OR OLD. lol

By the way New Age is actually the Golden Age of long ago. The Old Age.

Nothing is new just repeated through existance.

Like me talking to you right now.

'Your prophets of the sky' have been around forever.

I am well aware that there have been UFO's and ET contacts/sightings throughout our recorded history. BUT THAT TOO is irrelevant.

And my usage of the term "new age", which you don't seem to understand, is a facetious reference to the empty "spritual" phrases that permeate your posts and the "new age" movement that had it's zenith in late 1980's to mid 1990s and was marked by self proclaimed gurus and yogis spewing rhetorical gibberish.

Yes, humans are spiritual beings...... that doesn't change anything in regards to the UFO/ET enigma. It doesn't modify it one bit.

-Euclid

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Originally posted by NGC2736

Some of us believe they have been here a long time so this must be taken into account when doing the test. Maybe I should have mentioned that one. hehehe

The more conscious you are of your surroundings the more awareness you have to the designs.

I find the "berserker" notion of hypothetical aliens to be more likely than the "peaceful Space Brothers" notion.

Maybe because I watch too much Animal Planet. We are what we are because of millions of years of evolution in a harsh and highly competitive environment. Living creatures on Earth live because they absorb nutrients either from the ground, or, if they're mobile, by eating other creatures. I don't find it difficult to imagine that other mobile creatures like ourselves evolved in a similar kind of environment, where in order to live you seek out and eat the creatures you can dominate and control, and kill the creatures that are your competitors. So that's going to be their modus operandi.

On the other hand, once a species has developed effective interstellar travel, then all the resources of the universe become available to them without having to fight and kill for them. You need water? There are probably millions of planets out there with more water on them than Earth. Likewise, if you wanted hamburger, you could dedicate an entire planet to do nothing but raise cattle. Or maybe you could manipulate matter like a Star Trek "replicator" so that you wouldn't even need to do that. So they at least wouldn't worry too much about us, and probably wouldn't go out of their way to kill us.

Maybe they would be more worried about a strong interstellar civilization with predation as a primary motivation, but the universe is a big place. It's hard to imagine a civilization so big that there wouldn't be room for them and a million more civilizations to exist without going to war with each other. Plenty of elbow room. Plenty of resources to go around for everybody.

And if there were civilizations that huge, I imagine that we would be clearly aware of them by now. Which we're not.

So I don't know. I don't think it's a bad idea to devote a few resources to possible defense against them, if they ever show up. But I think we should wait until we detect at least one ET civilization before we really start to devote a lot of our resources to defense.

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Originally posted by Nohup
I find the "berserker" notion of hypothetical aliens to be more likely than the "peaceful Space Brothers" notion.

Maybe because I watch too much Animal Planet. We are what we are because of millions of years of evolution in a harsh and highly competitive environment. Living creatures on Earth live because they absorb nutrients either from the ground, or, if they're mobile, by eating other creatures. I don't find it difficult to imagine that other mobile creatures like ourselves evolved in a similar kind of environment, where in order to live you seek out and eat the creatures you can dominate and control, and kill the creatures that are your competitors. So that's going to be their modus operandi.

I agree. The development of sentient critters (us included) probably does follow the same path development....

On the other hand, once a species has developed effective interstellar travel, then all the resources of the universe become available to them without having to fight and kill for them. You need water? There are probably millions of planets out there with more water on them than Earth. Likewise, if you wanted hamburger, you could dedicate an entire planet to do nothing but raise cattle. Or maybe you could manipulate matter like a Star Trek "replicator" so that you wouldn't even need to do that. So they at least wouldn't worry too much about us, and probably wouldn't go out of their way to kill us.

I agree with a few qualifications:

The definition of effective interstellar travel..... From what I see technology isn't necessarily a steady curve. Earth civilization as an example: we develope the "space shuttle".... it's old, rickety and barely holds itself together. Fast forward 20 years - maybe we develop some kind of propulsion system that lets us travel to Mars in a couple of hours.... industry will use it until it gets to be like the shuttle - old and rickety technology. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the reach of the civilization will depend upon how often its economic system allows for technology upgrades. If their system is anything like ours then "war" for nearby resources in space could easily develope.

-Euclid

i've said it before and i'll say it again ..

If......

you believe in evolution as the mechanism for life in the universe then its is not only possible, its highly probable that we will encounter a hostile race of beings.


.... Survival of the fittest.....

And when we finally break the confines of this tiny globe they better run .. because the real monsters are coming ...the human race...