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Economy Sinking Government Knows & Giving Bad Info

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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what evidence guy? Real people come on this thread and tell real stories and you disregard every single one.


For the love of philosophy you seriously need a review lesson in logic. This is what you have been saying the entire thread. THIS IS A HASTY GENERALIZATION FALLACY AND IS NOT A VALID LINE OF REASONING. No matter how many times you say, it does not make it valid! Aristotle and other philosophers figured out you were wrong 2,000 years ago!


Im very curious to know what you do for a living. Im willing to guess you either grew up in a rich family and rebelled and make amends your now some baptist minister or you are just one of those guys who are in front of your computer 24/7 living in some world that does not exist.


No matter how many times you want to do this, it's still wrong. My personal situation has nothing to do with whether or not my point of view is valid, you are creating an ad hominem circumstantial fallacy. Your just wrong in any case. I don't see the need to do this but since everyone wants to talk about HOW HARD they had it so they can whine about how everything isn't their fault:

I grew up in a divorced family with an alcoholic mother who worked as front-line bank employee making $25,000 a year in a city with an average income of about $60,000. Until about 15, I was in court battles over whether or not either parent could keep me since they were both physically abusive. I began working at 14. I started college and graduated with two majors/1 minor in 3 years with no financial support from my parents, while working 2 full time jobs. I entered into a top 5 graduate school program where I am now only working one research job.

Yeah, I'm a rich "minister (WTF?)." You've failed - again.

You are pathetic - trying to making assumptions about everyone who doesn't agree with you - unfortunately for you, even these assumptions are wrong. If they were 100% right you'd still be wrong because my circumstances mean nothing when it comes to the validity of the argument.

Now, you go back to your delusional reality where everything is everyone else's fault. Enjoy the delusion. Your sob story is unimpressive - no one cares, and again IT MEANS NOTHING concerning the validity of the argument. Yet another use of appeal to emotion. You love to be spoon fed to make up your delusions. They do not equal reality, no matter how much you want them to be.

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:26 PM
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More logical fallacies.



This fallacy is committed when someone manipulates peoples' emotions in order to get them to accept a claim as being true.


You are trying to use emotions to make your claim that people can't take personal responsibility by telling us sob stories about you. It doesn't work. You are also now using an appeal to fear logical fallacy in this last statement. Assuming your presumption is true (that poor people somehow commit violence because they are poor only, which you have shown no evidence for and is not true), you are justifying your socialist views with an appeal to fear fallacy:



This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because creating fear in people does not constitute evidence for a claim.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:31 PM
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I hope people come and give their opinions I hope people dont take this as a bickering contest between Light and I unless he has nothing different to say but fallacy this and fallacy that in which he uses in all his posts I have nothing more to say. I hope people still continue to put their opinions on this thread because it is a good subject and important.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:33 PM
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Oh, I've had several people u2u me and let me know that they think your nuts
I invited them to get involved, but they know I've got it covered. See, normal people realize that a fallacy MEANS your LINE OF REASONING is NOT VALID. You have no argument. Try again.

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:34 PM
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You walked away from my thread when I posted evidence of crime in relation to poverty.

Most humans have emotions, and yes I would be emotional if my wife got stabbed.

You're the worst kind of hater buddy. Now I really do see where you are coming from. I couldn't put my finger on it before. Your life is so miserable that you think everyone elses should be even more miserable before they deserve anything. Gark on!



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:36 PM
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Lining up imaginary friends now? You must have had practice.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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No jack, I walked away from your thread because I refuted all of your evidence easily and several people told me through PM that arguing with you when you denied the evidence like this was pointless. They are right, and you still go around trying desperately to promote your thread. There is a reason why no one has joined it except the same two people - because you've been debunked for everyone else that actually reads using logic and reason.

I know that you like to follow me around and try to bait me, but you've failed - again. I'm glad mybigunit can "call in the reinforcements" and have you come in though! You have to work in numbers in order to get each other to verify your narrow world views.

You're the worst kind of hater buddy. Now I really do see where you are coming from. I couldn't put my finger on it before. Your life is so miserable that you think the responsibility for all your problems is the fault of everyone but yourself!

This just shows to everyone reading this that you two have got nothing - your reduced to insulting the person who disagrees with you because you've got no evidence for anything you say. Sad.

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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If you always behave rationally, then reason becomes the leash by which your enemy pulls you. -Card



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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The price of greatness is responsibility.
- Sir Winston Churchill




Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error.
-Thomas Jefferson





He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- William Drummond


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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:48 PM
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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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More evidence for everyone that reads that you have absolutely no evidence for what you say. Your reduced to personal insults - there is no evidence here. Just like the other thread, nothing but a literal conspiracy orgy devoid of reason or logic. Everyone knows it.

I feel sorry for you, that you get such happiness from negative thoughts about others. Shows us what your real intentions really are. What a life you must live to get such pleasure and happiness from wishing others bad things.

It shows that you have to try and gang up on people, but at the same time sad. Because either individually or as a group, you still show that you have absolutely nothing.

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:58 PM
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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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Light no one has to team up on no one and you keep getting off the subject I just wish you would stay on point because you have nothing better to say you are labbing insults. Ill repeat this again and if you have nothing better to say then please dont say it. I believe that the economy is going down and I think the government is lying about it.

I believe that we are just starting to see the first parts to it and that it will get worse over the next year. I think that we need to find a way to hunker down and get ready for the storm and that is for everyone out there even you Lightindark. I even want to see you do well through all this. Hey and heres the cool thing about my thread you know what that is? Even if Im wrong and the depression never comes the worst that comes out of this is a lot of people who has a little bit of money saved for the storm that never came. Theres really nothing wrong with that is there? But if Im right then the people who listen will be in a good position to weather the storm. You not included.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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As I previously said:



More evidence for everyone that reads that you have absolutely no evidence for what you say. Your reduced to personal insults - there is no evidence here. Just like the other thread, nothing but a literal conspiracy orgy devoid of reason or logic. Everyone knows it.

I feel sorry for you, that you get such happiness from negative thoughts about others. Shows us what your real intentions really are. What a life you must live to get such pleasure and happiness from wishing others bad things.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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I wish you would stop insulting me. Just stop, trying to reflect what your doing on me is failing.

You can claim that the government is lying all you want. Where is your evidence? Reason? How do you know the economy is going to come crashing down without any data? What data sources do you have to validate your own claims (cant use the government, you just said they all lied)?

Don't bother answering. We've done this all thread long. I ask you these questions, you refuse to answer, and begin insulting. You call in reinforcements to join you. I continue to ask you for proof, rinse, repeat.

You have said at least three times that you'd stop replying. Why don't you?

People should be saving throughout their lives. They should not be buying canned food and bottled water (unless there is a legitimate reason like a hurricane or something, or if they just like canned food). You assume that because I don't think the sky is falling that I don't save money - wrong again.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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I don't see the need to do this but since everyone wants to talk about HOW HARD they had it so they can whine about how everything isn't their fault:


I had it hard, no doubt, but I can admit it was because of my own damn fault.
I suppose that if in high school I .. oh .. say showed up for classes, cared about passing, aimed for A's and not D's and did not focus so much attention on where and who I was to get drunk with .. I may have gotten a scholarship. Maybe. Probably not actually, parents make to much and I am fairly certain I am white.


Anyways, you don't need a college degree to be successful anyways. If someone truly had what it takes to be successful out there, they would overcome the obstacle of "I couldn't go to college" instead of wallowing in self pity and "the system keeps me down" mentality.

One truly amazing thing about America and much of the west is that your personal advances are only limited to what you limit your self. Where the system holds you back, there is an infinite number of ways to get around it.



I wish you would stop insulting me.


I think everyone needs to focus on the issue at hand -- The economy .ing for possible recession and the government giving false information to cover it up.

In no way should or could that OP topic be focused on anyones personal self.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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Sorry to tell you but it does looks like bickering and it smells like Trolling.

That is why you are not getting other members to step in when its other threads that have more diversified posts on around the same subject.


Your thread was taken over a few pages ago.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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I am sorry that when logic and reason disagrees with your ideology you declare it trolling. Of course, this sort of post that I am responding to ACTUALLY IS trolling, and the irony does not fail anyone.

Rockpuck: I agree completely. You in fact don't need any higher education to be successful.


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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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If you really think the government is telling us the truth, I've got a bridge to sell ya. Simple as that.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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If you really think that you can blame all of your personal decisions on the government, I've got some swampland to sell ya.

Of course, I still await any proof that any government statistic is a lie - or proof of how you can divine the economic condition of the country without data. Using a hasty generalization fallacy to do it fails.



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