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Is President George Bush Jewish?

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posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 03:56 PM
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Forgive me if this is not the best place to put this posting.

It is no surprise to members here the strong ties that the Jewish community have to the white house.

But there is evidence that Jewish people by the name of Bush paid a significant role in the military and geopolitical history of the US.

Scroll down this page to find commentary on this subject:

www.cassiopaea.org...

"We attempted to research the genealogy ourselves, to determine if there is any relation to the current President and the Major George Bush mentioned in the document. It appears that the Bush family genealogy records are missing from the public domain. Any further insight from readers would be appreciated. If there is a connection, perhaps it would help explain the below author's observations, from the NYC Jewish newspaper, the Forward:"


also check out these images of documents:
www.cassiopaea.org...
www.cassiopaea.org...

and

www.cassiopaea.org...
www.cassiopaea.org...




posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 04:04 PM
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Wow...I guess this would clear up why Bush wasn't at the collapse of the World Trade Centers!

pages.sbcglobal.net...

Remind you of anything? This maybe: The Claim by the Nazis that Franklin Roosevelt was Jewish? That his "real" name was "Rosenfeld":
"America, Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Holocaust"
newdeal.feri.org...


Oh yeah baby....I'll get back to this one.




regards
seekerof



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 04:12 PM
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Barbara Bush's maiden name is "Pierce".
Autobiography here:

"Barbara Pierce Bush"
www.whitehouse.gov...


Seeing no Jewish ancestry yet but will look into here family next.


regards
seekerof



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 04:21 PM
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Welp, I would shot for "Czech" before I went for Jewish:
Pretty good family breakdown right there (goes back a long ways...1650 to be exact):

"The Czech Roots of Barbara Pierce Bush"
www.svu2000.org...



regards
seekerof



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 06:55 PM
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Well I understand that Jewish ancestory is traced via the female side of a family line but the assumption here is that it comes from the male side.

Whether true of not I have no idea but it is intruiging that several men by the name of Bush were involved in the military and seemingly had clout in past american affairs. A good co-incidence at the very least.



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 06:59 PM
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NEO, I hope you didn't think I was blowing you off cause I certainly wasn't.


Lets do a 'search' on Bush, the male side lineage then?
I'll start digging.



regards
seekerof



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 07:06 PM
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It is common in gentile culture to focus on lineage mostly from the males side of the family. But of course both sides matter greatly.

For example George Bush's wife comes from the same clan that my father's family does in Ireland.

I also find it interesting that current Democratic front runner Kerry is a bonesman and has strong Jewish roots in his background yet for all intents and purposes appears as a gentile.

I will do a bit of digging too and see what I can find out here.



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 07:08 PM
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Ok, found this:

"President Bush's Sheldon Ancestry"
www.sheldonfamily.org...



And a very extensive lineage listing from 1500's:

"The FIRST President Bush:Some Ancestral Lines"
www.members.tripod.com...




regards
seekerof

[Edited on 7-2-2004 by Seekerof]



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 07:17 PM
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Alright, did more using "George Bush: genealogy" and came up with this:

"Ancestry of George W. Bush"
www.genealogy.com...


This covers 7 generations:

Browse this Family Tree

First Generation
Second Generation
Third Generation
Fourth Generation
Fifth Generation
Sixth Generation
Seventh Generation
Index


Surname List

Bangs, Beaky, Bush, Butler, Coe, Crisswell, Fay, Flickinger, Haines, Holliday, Livingston, Marvin, Pierce, Pritzel, Robinson, Sheldon, Shellman, Smith, Stokes, Uncles, Walker, Wear, Wheeler



regards
seekerof



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 07:21 PM
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Hmmm, here's the 'index' listing the names:
www.genealogy.com...

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Adaline P. (marriage to Joseph W. Wear) (i47), b.1881-


Bangs
Bangs, Mary Ann (i52)
Bangs, Mary Ann (marriage to Joseph Ambrose Beaky) (i52)


Beaky
Beaky, Clement (i55), b.1853-
Beaky, Ella (i54), b.1851-
Beaky, Emma (i61), b.1842-
Beaky, Joseph (i56), b.1855-
Beaky, Joseph Ambrose (i51)
Beaky, Joseph Ambrose (marriage to Mary Ann Bangs) (i51)
Beaky, Louis (i53), b.1843-
Beaky, Martha Adela (i50), b.1841-
Beaky, Martha Adela (marriage to David Davis Walker) (i50), b.1841-


Bush
Bush, George Herbert Walker (i2), b.1924-
Bush, George Herbert Walker (marriage to Barbara Pierce) (i2), b.1924-
Bush, George Walker (i1), b.1946-
Bush, James (i12), b.1902-
Bush, Jonathan James (i37), b.1931-
Bush, Nancy (i36), b.1926-
Bush, Obadiah Newcomb (i62)
Bush, Obadiah Newcomb (marriage to Harriet Smith) (i62)
Bush, Prescott Sheldon (i4), b.1895-d.1972
Bush, Prescott Sheldon (i35), b.1922-
Bush, Prescott Sheldon (marriage to Dorothy Walker) (i4), b.1895-d.1972
Bush, Rev. James Smith (i8), b.1825-d.1889
Bush, Rev. James Smith (marriage to Harriet Eleanor Fay) (i8), b.1825-d.1889
Bush, Samuel Prescott (i6), b.1863-d.1948
Bush, Samuel Prescott (marriage to Flora Sheldon) (i6), b.1863-d.1948
Bush, William Trotter (i38), b.1938-


Butler
Butler, Charles H. (i23), b.1844-
Butler, Courtland Philip Livingston (i13), b.1813-d.1891
Butler, Courtland Philip Livingston (i21), b.1854-
Butler, Courtland Philip Livingston (marriage to Elizabeth Slade Pierce) (i13), b.1813-d.1891
Butler, Harriet L. (i66), b.1851-
Butler, Mary Elizabeth (i11), b.1850-d.1897
Butler, Mary Elizabeth (marriage to Robert Emmet Sheldon) (i11), b.1850-d.1897
Butler, Samuel Herrick (i19)
Butler, Samuel Herrick (marriage to Judith Livingston) (i19)
Butler, Theodore (i22), b.1862-
Butler, Theodore (i68), b.1832-


Coe
Coe, Sarah (i80), b.1831-d.1901
Coe, Sarah (marriage to John William Robinson) (i80), b.1831-d.1901


Crisswell
Crisswell, Elizabeth (i30)
Crisswell, Elizabeth (marriage to James Uncles) (i30)


Fay
Fay, Harriet Eleanor (i9), b.1829-d.1924
Fay, Harriet Eleanor (marriage to Rev. James Smith Bush) (i9), b.1829-d.1924
Fay, Samuel Howard (i64), b.1804-d.1847
Fay, Samuel Howard (marriage to Susan Shellman) (i64), b.1804-d.1847


Filley
Filley, Ellen D. (marriage to James H. Wear) (i46)


Flickinger
Flickinger, Jacob Marion (i81), b.1849-d.1917
Flickinger, Jacob Marion (marriage to Sarah Haines) (i81), b.1849-d.1917
Flickinger, Lula Dell (i74), b.1875-
Flickinger, Lula Dell (marriage to James Edgar Robinson) (i74), b.1875-


Haines
Haines, Sarah (i82), b.1855-d.1888
Haines, Sarah (marriage to Jacob Marion Flickinger) (i82), b.1855-d.1888


Holliday
Holliday, Nancy Eliza (i34), b.1847-d.1942
Holliday, Nancy Eliza (marriage to James Hutchenson Wear) (i34), b.1847-d.1942


Kotany
Kotany, Max (marriage to Mildred Wear) (i44), b.1853-


Livingston
Livingston, Judith (i20)
Livingston, Judith (marriage to Samuel Herrick Butler) (i20)


Marvin
Marvin, Jerome Place (i77), b.1846-d.1917
Marvin, Jerome Place (marriage to Martha Ann Stokes) (i77), b.1846-d.1917
Marvin, Mabel (i72), b.1869-
Marvin, Mabel (marriage to Scott Pierce) (i72), b.1869-


Pierce
Pierce, Barbara (i3), b.1925-
Pierce, Barbara (marriage to George Herbert Walker Bush) (i3), b.1925-
Pierce, Elizabeth Slade (i14), b.1822-d.1901
Pierce, Elizabeth Slade (marriage to Courtland Philip Livingston Butler) (i14), b.1822-d.1901
Pierce, Jonas James (i75), b.1839-d.1913
Pierce, Jonas James (marriage to Kate Pritzel) (i75), b.1839-d.1913
Pierce, Levi (i27)
Pierce, Levi (marriage to Betsey S. Wheeler) (i27)
Pierce, Marvin (i69), b.1893-d.1969
Pierce, Marvin (marriage to Pauline Robinson) (i69), b.1893-d.1969
Pierce, Scott (i71), b.1866-
Pierce, Scott (marriage to Mabel Marvin) (i71), b.1866-


Pritzel
Pritzel, Kate (i76), b.1841-d.1931
Pritzel, Kate (marriage to Jonas James Pierce) (i76), b.1841-d.1931


Robinson
Robinson, James Edgar (i73), b.1869-
Robinson, James Edgar (marriage to Lula Dell Flickinger) (i73), b.1869-
Robinson, John William (i79), b.1831-
Robinson, John William (marriage to Sarah Coe) (i79), b.1831-
Robinson, Pauline (i70), b.1896-d.1949
Robinson, Pauline (marriage to Marvin Pierce) (i70), b.1896-d.1949


Sheldon
Sheldon, Butler (i16), b.1874-
Sheldon, Emma Irene (i26), b.1848-
Sheldon, Flora (i7), b.1872-d.1920
Sheldon, Flora (marriage to Samuel Prescott Bush) (i7), b.1872-d.1920
Sheldon, Hattie (i17), b.1876-
Sheldon, Mary (i18), b.1878-
Sheldon, Ralph (i15), b.1871-
Sheldon, Robert Emmet (i10), b.1845-d.1917
Sheldon, Robert Emmet (marriage to Mary Elizabeth Butler) (i10), b.1845-d.1917
Sheldon, Thomas H. (i24), b.1818-d.1854
Sheldon, Thomas H. (marriage to Martha Uncles) (i24), b.1818-d.1854


Shellman
Shellman, Susan (i65), b.1808-d.1887
Shellman, Susan (marriage to Samuel Howard Fay) (i65), b.1808-d.1887


Slattery
Slattery, Susan Leigh (marriage to John H. Wear) (i45)


Smith
Smith, Harriet (i63)
Smith, Harriet (marriage to Obadiah Newcomb Bush) (i63)


Stokes
Stokes, Martha Ann (i78), b.1847-d.1925
Stokes, Martha Ann (marriage to Jerome Place Marvin) (i78), b.1847-d.1925


Uncles
Uncles, James (i29), b.1794-d.1835
Uncles, James (marriage to Elizabeth Crisswell) (i29), b.1794-d.1835
Uncles, Martha (i25), b.1824-d.1912
Uncles, Martha (marriage to Thomas H. Sheldon) (i25), b.1824-d.1912


Walker
Walker, David Davis (i49), b.1840-d.1918
Walker, David Davis (i60), b.1870-
Walker, David Davis (marriage to Martha Adela Beaky) (i49), b.1840-d.1918
Walker, Dorothy (i5), b.1901-d.1992
Walker, Dorothy (marriage to Prescott Sheldon Bush) (i5), b.1901-d.1992
Walker, George Herbert (i31), b.1875-d.1953
Walker, George Herbert (marriage to Lucretia Wear) (i31), b.1875-d.1953
Walker, Joseph Sidney (i57), b.1863-
Walker, Nancy (i48), b.1899-
Walker, Rose Marion (i59), b.1867-
Walker, William Hargadine (i58), b.1864-


Wear
Wear, Arthur (i43), b.1880-
Wear, James H. (i42), b.1878-d.1964
Wear, James Hutchenson (i33), b.1838-d.1893
Wear, James Hutchenson (marriage to Nancy Eliza Holliday) (i33), b.1838-d.1893
Wear, John H. (i39), b.1868-
Wear, Joseph W. (i41), b.1876-
Wear, Lucretia (i32), b.1874-d.1961
Wear, Lucretia (marriage to George Herbert Walker) (i32), b.1874-d.1961
Wear, Mildred (i40), b.1870-


Wheeler
Wheeler, Betsey S. (i28)
Wheeler, Betsey S. (marriage to Levi Pierce) (i28)"



Quite extensive.......




regards
seekerof



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 07:44 PM
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I had a good look at your links Seeker and while everything looks as it would be expected it does not really prove anything. Names can be changed and unless one sees actual census and other records there is often a lot of recollecting going on in geneology. The reality is that any of those people are potentially Jewish. What struck me most was the mention in the Jewish date books of a family by the name of Bush being Jewish, this is new to me. Bush is an English name which was likely taken up by Jews in England at some time in the past.

Still I am interested in what the initial originators of this idea meant by saying:

--It appears that the Bush family genealogy records are missing from the public domain.--



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 07:48 PM
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And German, though being German and Jewish are NOT mutually exclusive.

Alot of Busch's became Bush's in America during immigration.



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 08:01 PM
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Rant,

good points, we didn't even touch on that angle.



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 11:04 PM
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NEO and Rant, though I agree that "names" can change, is there any particular proof or evidences to suggest that this is indeed what has happened or has occured? Some of those links give lineage going back to the 1500's. In such, I have yet to see a or any link(s) or books or whatever suggesting that the 'BUSH' name was changed from its original.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 7-2-2004 by Seekerof]



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 11:42 PM
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Bush might be Jewish???? (G*d helps us all.....) I'm a pretty active Jew, and I don't know one Jew who supports Bush.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 12:20 AM
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On a light note, he certainly does see god in an old-testament sort of style, you know, what with the wars.

But apart from that are these:

1) Wasn't there extensive evidence that Bush's grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer? If so, then perhaps Bush or his father overcame a very strong hatred against the Jewish people and married into being Jewish, or at least breaking down old walls.

2) I have a few Jewish relatives. That doesn't make me Jewish. So what if every Bush that ever lived before George W. was a Jew, for one thing we shouldn't care what his religion is, and for another it means nothing about what religion he has chosen. If he goes to church, believes Jesus was the Messiah, and has never uttered the word 'Shalom', then he's probably Christian. I just don't see what difference it should make.



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 12:26 AM
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Viendin,

you make a lot of good points here.

but consider the pamphlets that the links point too in my first posting, there are Jews that think it is important to know which Jews in the world are in positions of influence so that they can claim them for their 'community.'



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 03:14 AM
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I dont know if he's Jewish per se, but I think he has a lot of Jewish infulences on him

www.shwa.org...

Scroll down a bit and you'll see the picture I'm referencing to. interesting , sure looks like he knows what he's doing there to me.

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by Grommer]



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by THENEO
Well I understand that Jewish ancestory is traced via the female side of a family line but the assumption here is that it comes from the male side.


A Jew traces his genealogy on both sides. That's why rabbis often have those screwdrivers by their temples. Man that sounded strange. You know that curly piece of the hair in front of the ears.

Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Feb, 8 2004 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by ByzantineIcon
Bush might be Jewish???? (G*d helps us all.....) I'm a pretty active Jew, and I don't know one Jew who supports Bush.


Ummm... what about all the Zionists???

Unless of course you don't consider them to really be Jewish.







 
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