I agree with you in regard to the 'need' and 'control' that Murray searched for, and in the end lost out because of. But I wonder if there is any way to 'prove' culpability somehow. Or prove that they actually controlled his mind, or attempted to, and it backfired? Honestly, I have a feeling that it is one of those 'what ifs' that we will never really know the truth.
I mean, even look at what we are discussing here. It would be more than just 'news' if Murray was a 'Manchurian Prophet', and that these acts were what he was 'destined' to do. The Mom would be let in on the prophet aspect, but be compartmentalized out of the real plans for her son. Just as easily it could be a 'mis-programming', and subsequent breakdown and attack against the church. I think that the idea that when the sharpshooter 'activated' the final program yelling "SURRENDER" is an interesting twist to the scenario.
Obviously we have the more mainstream views that Religion failed him, so he sought revenge against it. There is plenty of 'evidence' to support it, and to a degree it even is at the heart of the more frivolous looking theory that has been presented. But what of the evidence in Murray's own words. The forums he posted to have removed the content, either due to the defamatory nature toward New Life and his Religion or maybe he server load from people looking to find some reason for this. He has still been censored.
All throughout the media coverage, New Life has tried hard to distance themselves from the shooter. At first the two attacks seemed almost coincidental, and then as the puzzle pieces fall into play, a missionary group happens to have an office in the church building. No mention that Murray's mother was a New Life member, and was extremely fond of the former Pastor, Ted Haggard. So the shooter, in his own, now censored words, claims that New Life's inner elite viewed him as their prophet, probably is an important clue. I would think that perhaps Murray wrote 'hate mail' to New Life along with the missionary group, but no mention about that. If he did, they might now he was coming after his first attack. Lucky that a trained sharpshooter happened to be volunteering for church security.... her shots were non fatal, the coroner determined that he killed himself.
I still want to know where he got all the guns if he was broke, down and out, and mentally loosing it. He had a ton of fire power, and apparently the police already looking at him being involved. I would like to see a timeline of the events of the last 24 hours of Murray's known whereabouts and movements. To me, it doesn't add up unless he had some help. It was too cold to sleep in his car full of guns, running the engine for heat would draw attention. It is an hour and 15 minute drive from Arvada to New Life in Colorado Springs The two shootings occurred almost 12 hours apart, Murray apparently had time to post his manifesto online(?) and drive to Colorado Springs. At what time did police arrive at his house, but before the second shooting. Where was he in the meantime?
Also, this quote from the New Life Wikipedia page makes me cringe:
In 2005, Jeff Sharlet claimed that while New Life is "by no means the largest megachurch…[it] holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism" than any other church in America.en.wikipedia.org...
So 2005, New Life holds sway of evangelicalism...
2006, the creator of the church, is outed as a drug and butt sniffer, and kicked out...
2007, a young man, who claims that the church elite viewed him as its prophet, attacks the church and its missionaries, goes on a shooting spree...
Something seems to be amiss.
Also, this is from the Controversy section of the Youth With A Mission wikipedia article:
"Cult" Allegations
In 1986, the Cultic Studies Journal published Laurie Jacobson's account of her experiences within YWAM. In it Jacobson depicts a Discipleship Training School program of eisegesis and social engineering designed to inculcate attitudes and obtain conformity to the group's ways. [33][34] Evangelical theologians Alan Gomes and E. Calvin Beisner claim that certain unorthodox doctrines were taught at some YWAM locations from the 1970s until the 1990s.[35][36] In 1990, researcher Rick Ross, retained by a family in Long Island, New York, published an evaluation of YWAM, refusing to recommend them. Ross' research not only included an interview with the YWAM leaders but also was founded on information obtained from Christian Research Institute, the pre-Scientology Cult Awareness Network, the book Spiritual Warfare by Sara Diamond, and further mention of YWAM in Charisma Magazine. In the report he cited their failure on the basis of Robert J. Lifton's eight criteria for recognizing thought reform and mind control.[37] The Miami Herald also published criticism of YWAM by Baptist missionary LaToya Channer from her experiences up to January 1992, when she left the organization. Channer described the organization to reporter Aurin Squire as a "cult" to which she "became dependent."[38] The Wellington New Zealand Star-Times also examined politician Bernie Ogilvy's connection to the organization during this time period. In the report, Ogilvy confirmed that the group has been called a "cult" by overseas sceptics but said that impression had been corrected. The Star-Times reported that YWAM made enough money to buy up to 12 Auckland houses and that Ogilvy at one point lived in a large house with a swimming pool as the National Director. Ogilvy stated that the houses were all sold and the money given away.[39]
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Even more chilling is the 'spiritual warfare' ministry, The World Prayer Center, located at the New Life Church campus. It cost 5.5 million dollars to build and has state of the art computer equipment. World Prayer Center
Act like Jesus, stop talking about him...
DocMoreau


