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Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Originally posted by DocMoreau
You say that you can relate to Murray. Hopefully you have not had to deal with as much trauma as he.
I am sorry that anything like this could happen to anyone. Hopefully you will find a way to heal, and not be compelled to act out like Murray.
Maybe providing more of your insight of ... specific examples of how people tried to condition you, will help you be proactive instead of reactive.
In regard to him fulfilling the prophecy, exactly! But more of a nervous laugh. As in, who are the church 'elite' that knew that he was a 'prophetic child'? If one does research into some of the mind-control techniques Murray described, you will find the use of 'triggers' to set off programmed behaviors or 'conditioned responses'.
Perhaps Murray did exactly what this particular home school/religious upbringing raised hime to do? That he 'was' mind-controlled by the church, and that programming was activated so that this would happen.
The reason? Hmmm... Maybe to show how 'battle ready' the church is? I am not sure. Homegrown Terrorism Act or Gun Control?
He did say that he didn't understand the Pastor's hypocrisy. Was that Pastor, Ted Haggard?
If we look at the 'clues' that Murray left behind, he mentions a motley crew of characters, Aliester Crowley, Ted Haggard, Timothy McVeigh, The Columbine Shooters, and Ricky Rodriguez. What is the tie that binds?
Originally posted by starviego
Maybe he heard a trigger word ('Surrender') and suddenly froze up. And two male armed guards don't shoot at the perp and the perp doesn't shoot at them, leaving another to grab the glory. Hmmm...
Recently she felt led to contact the church and offer her services as a “security guard” because she felt that there was a risk of some looney doing something crazy. She was apparantely the one who killed the shooter."
But I also find it extremely interesting that Murray attempted so many different 'faiths' in the three years since he was booted from the 12 week bible study program.
Originally posted by Radekus
reply to post by DocMoreau
Did I shed some light on the matter at least?
I hope I did. Not easy to not do one line posts.
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.