It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
(visit the link for the full news article)
At times he was DyingChild_65, at others nghtmrchld26. But regardless of Matthew Murray's alleged screen name, he was always angry when posting to various anti-religious websites.
The 24-year-old Arapahoe County resident — who carried out attacks Sunday at two religious organizations about 70 miles apart, killing four people and injuring several others — exploded on the Internet between Sunday's shootings.
"Like Cho, Eric Harris, Ricky Rodriguez and others, I'm going out to make a stand for the weak and the defenseless this is for all those young people still caught in the Nightmare of Christianity for all those people who've been abused and mistreated and taken advantage of by this evil sick religion Christian America this is YOUR Columbine."
Originally posted by starviego
Strange that so much of Murray's incriminating posts were posted in between the two shootings, when one would think he would be more afraid of being discovered before he could get his 'manifesto' out.
The witness to the shootout in the church, Larry Bourbanais, has since been 86'ed from New Life because he refused to modify his story to fit the official version that Murray shot himself.
Originally posted by Radekus
Oh, and btw, I really have to make it clear to everyone of you, rejection wasn't the reason, it was merely a piece of the puzzle. Human evil was the cause, blame society.
It was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier Arvada missionary shooting, 70 miles (113 km) away. However, police were already at the home of Matthew J. Murray prior to the second shooting, conducting an investigation.
At the Arvada missionary shooting, two people died and two were wounded at 12:30 a.m. after a gunman opened fire in a dormitory at a missionary training center on the campus of Faith Bible Chapel.
Reportedly, Murray was homeschooled in a deeply religious Christian household, and he attended, but did not complete, a missionary training program at the YWAM Arvada facility in 2002. Law enforcement officials stated that Murray 'hated Christians', and that the hate crime appeared to be motivated by hatred of Christianity,
His expulsion from the school was confirmed by Cheryl Morrison, whose husband, George Morrison, is pastor of the Faith Bible Chapel adjacent to YWAM Denver. She didn't know specifics of the conflict. "I don't think that ‘run-in’ is the word, but they did have to dismiss him. It had to be something of significance, because they go the nth degree with people." Murray was expelled from the school due to "strange behavior," which included playing frightening rock music and claiming to hear voices.
Before the second shooting, Murray left several violent and threatening messages on several religious websites, espousing his hatred for Christianity and his intentions on killing as many Christians as possible.
One message read: "I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the ...teeth and I WILL shoot to kill. ...God, I can't wait till I can kill you people. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don't care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you ... as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."
In another of his very last posts, made that morning to a Usenet newsgroup, he identified himself as being a member of a local branch of the Ordo Templi Orientis, an occult group that includes sex magic among its teachings. According to the chapter leader, Murray had attended their events for one or two years, but his request for membership was turned down and he was asked to leave in either September or October
Additional internet postings discovered after the shooting revealed that Murray was bi-sexual or possibly homosexual.
Originally posted by DocMoreau
I would imagine that a homosexual brought up in a fanatic Christian household, could cause various issues of self loathing and hatred of others, especially those who 'deny' you. In a Christian context, hearing voices would be 'evil', but in a scientific one, it could be a sign of Schizophrenia, which often occurs in early adulthood.
Maybe that is the case. Maybe he was gay and couldn't deal with it within the morals he was raised with. I still think there might be something more to this than we are getting.
Originally posted by DocMoreau
Okay.... Society as a whole? Why did he attack two places connected to the 'society' of New Life Church then? Do you know what 'human evil' caused him to snap? Did you know him personally? Or are you just making a vague overview of the situation?
Thats fine, but I think there maybe something much 'darker' than any of us know about possibly going on at the New Life Church. Something that happened to Murray was caused by the Church. I don't know if it was sexual abuse, or rejection or what, but something just doesn't 'feel' right about the attacks, the 'manifesto', the story of how he was subdued... something isn't right. At least to me. Maybe I am wrong, but something is not adding up.
Since I was at least age 6 my mother and her church friends have always told me about how my birth was “foretold.” They say that while I was still in my mother’s womb a “prophet” told my mother that I was to be, quote, “a prophet to the nations” and something along the lines of the next Billy Graham/Peter Wagner.
They said that the following verses applied to me:
Mat. 12.18 and Ezk. 36:26-28
Basically, they believe that I am their “chosen one” for “the end times” and according to the Ezekial passage they believe that I am going to go back to their church/system.
Version: King James Version
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Eight Marks of a Mind-Control Cult by Randall Watters
Brainwashing has become almost a household word in the last two decades or so. In 1961, Robert J. Lifton wrote the definitive book on the subject, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, after studying the effects of mind control on American prisoners of war under the Communist Chinese. Lifton outlines eight major factors that can be used to identify whether a group is a destructive cult or not. Any authoritarian religion should be held up to the light in order to determine just how destructive their influence is on their members. Judge for yourselves.