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Djarums, I couldn't agree more
Originally posted by intrepid
Goose, there is only some much work to be done in a jail, and a work range IS a higher static in prison. I know because I work in Corrections. Besides, the individuals would never make it to a normal range, let alone a work range, because they would be attacked by the other inmates. They would be in PC(protective custody) or Segregation. Djarums, I couldn't agree more.
Thats why I say life with no parole, the innocent ones have a chance to prove their innocence and the guilty don't get out on parole to kill again, which is what is currenty happening, I'm also for locking up sexual predators for life.
HOMICIDE - MANSLAUGHTER, MURDER
1. A killing, lawful or unlawful, of one human being by another.
2. Unlawful killing with or without intent to kill or do grievous bodily harm.
I have been in the army and I am a killer.
Does that make me a murderer?
The circumstances should be taken into consideration.
Death unjustifiable - By Matt Schroeder
It's the question nobody wants to answer: why should we not kill Timothy McVeigh? After all, he killed 168 people, injured several hundred more and traumatized an entire nation. His crimes were horrible, and like most people, I can't even begin to imagine the suffering Oklahoma City went through.
It's been said that executions were made for people like McVeigh, and I've struggled with this a lot, as everyone has. However, putting him to death keeps him from taking responsibility for what he did. It also keeps us from confronting our own problems, and it is going to degrade us all by legitimizing exactly what he bombed a federal building for.
A common justification for the death penalty is that it makes the murderer take responsibility for his actions. I have no idea how...If we really cared about Tim McVeigh's responsibility, we'd keep him alive in prison. We'd make him work, and everything he did for the rest of his life would go toward restitution for the victims' families. Obviously, nothing is going to compensate for the loss of any of the 168 people;
Actually, throwing the power of the state at McVeigh only proves his fears right...After McVeigh, Juan Raul Garza will be the next on June 19. After that, it'll be easier and easier. Why do we tolerate a government with the power to kill its own citizens?
As Albert Camus wrote 44 years ago, "we must proclaim, in our principles and institutions, that the individual is above the state." Camus also said that an execution is like a father killing his wayward son with the lazy words "Really, I didn't know what to do with him."
Like it or not, Timothy McVeigh and his murders are a part of us and killing him keeps us from accepting and understanding that dark side. Surgeons have no right to cover up their botched operations, writes Hugo Adam Bedau, and "the criminologist, like the surgeon, has no right to bury the human consequences of his ignorance, errors and mistakes."
In the end, we're fooling ourselves if we think this execution will place responsibility on anyone, increase respect for law and order or cover up all the hatred we contain. Humans are not pinnacles of virtue, and we have no right to declare anyone unworthy of life. We can't be the virtuous assassins we want to be. Revenge is no principle to found a government upon, least of all a government with the power of death; just ask Bud Welch, who lost his daughter Julie in the bombing but opposes McVeigh's execution.
Originally posted by deevee
If you impose the death penalty for crimes other than murder there is no inducement for the rapist to let the victim live, indeed he would wiser to kill her.
Originally posted by ihatethisplace
what about that guy who just raped and killed that 11 year old girl? he should be put to death. i am to young to have kids but im sure anyone here with kids would agree the only thing to do for him is execute him, and not even that will do. rapists should be given the death penalty. most of the people who are raped never recover fully and are mentally scared. i think its just as bad to see somebody you love rot from the inside from being raped, than it is to see someone you love murdered. i think the only acceptable punishment for murderers and rapists is execution. i can understand all other types of crime but not those two.
Or you could keep the person alive, live in conditions similar to a military work camp in mideval time era and force them to DO SOMETHING to benifit either the victims families or society at large. That includes doing whatever is needed to produce his own food, etc.
Originally posted by intrepid
Well we've heard from a younger person, and that would be a feeling of greater security if a rapist didn't breath. The point just doesn't seem to be getting through. These people can't be rehabilitated. You're talking about them paying, suffering, in jail? Jesus, I have to worry about bills,weather to get to work, whether I will be able to provide for my kids tomorrow if I get hurt, etc.. They have no worries. Food, shelter & cable T.V. is provided. The cost of a CP trial is high, but $200/day to keep this scum adds up to. Thats $67,000/year to keep one. Translate that to even 20 years, and that makes the trial a bargain sale.
Originally posted by JustAnIllusion
What do you propose the criminal does to benifit the victims families? Personally, if I was the victim, I would never want to see or hear about him or from him again.
Originally posted by intrepid
Mojom, please read the thread, I work in Corrections. The people are predators, like a hyena. They will do anything to survive. To answer your question, if they were facing death they would think twice about it. They would rather go through hell to get back to their fix.Rape. You are looking from it from a normal point of view. They don't have one. If you can understand an addict, realize that this is a rapists drug. You can't change them, even though you wish you could. Also I'm not talking about an oops, as far as murder goes, I'm talking about PREMEDITATION, not an accident.