The Interstellar Case Files: by Jose Escamilla, page 23

reply to post by W3RLIED2

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As keen as I am to reproduce these images you have to consider this, if that task is achieved than what comparative images are you going to use to identify them.

I am going to post this schematic again even though it has been posted in this thread by Zorgon and by me in the fast thread, as you can see there is a lot of stuff up there how do we differentiate there origin from the less then perfect images we get.




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Originally posted by Jose Escamilla
I admit I made some quick decisions and continued with the production of Interstellar, but after consulting with my researcher in Mexico that I've known years, and after he told me it was all real

Dear Jose,

I have consulted a few astrophotographers and they all told me the same thing basically. The videos are real, they are filming real orbital objects but the telescope has not been collimated like it is supposed to be before observing. If you already add to this, noise and turbulences, you can get some freaky results.I did post a link earlier of the weird looking results you get just taking photos of the ISS with a CCD webcam & an offset telescope.

Distortions, exagerated reflexions, etc...are just some of the words that can describe the result. There are quiet a few other tricks possible : playing with the focus of the camrecorder or the webcam, playing with some of the digital effects within the camrecorder, adding transparent plastic film over the telescope, etc... But just having both mirrors offset is already good enough.

Just to say, that it is possible to film satellites and make them look like
Star Trek's spaceships. Let's not forget that some satellites may have a very weird aspect already.

If you want my advice, send them to this guys ad ask them what they think :
www.ast.cam.ac.uk...

Always ask (some of) the best specialists.

Now if we talk about his (Lenard) photos taken in his backyard without a telescope, these are not worth a penny and I can send you much wierder ones if you want. Just shake the camera a little bit and you will see what you will get. I am not even talking about the noise in thes pics, which makes it look like there are stars all over the building.

Please excuse my English and ask me if you don't understand something I
said.

Peace,


The myth ends when the measures start...UAPs are a reality.

Can i make a somehow absurde or off topic comment...


www.jemworksllc.com...

www.jemworksllc.com...


Why is that those two pictures have such gramatical mistakes?

You can read several times"Hear" instead of "Here"...and in one of the pics you can even read "Meens" instead of "Means".

Maybe the author of this pics is not a native english speaker...? was in a rush and he wrote with mistakes....?

Sorry for my english.

reply to post by Orion437

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'i think' he is not native,
and if you want an even more blatent example that seems to evidence of this, google his bliptv episode 4 film.

reply to post by livo74

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Estimating size would be a reasonable way to differentiate what we see but I am not entirely sure what reliable method could be used.

An important consideration in that estimate would be distance without knowing this you are not going anywhere, unfortunately that part of the equation is beyond me or I would be working for NASA, (maybe not though).

Size of terrestrial born objects would be pretty much dependent on lift capabilities of current launch vehicles or multiples thereof unless you include possible exotic alternatives of which I know not of.

Shape is a tricky one also with a plethora of different solar arrays to chose from plus of course the secret satellites that have shapes and structures we would not necessarily know because..well their secret.

As you can see it is a tricky undertaking although I would like to see these images reproduced just to dimiss downright hoax as opposed to mistaken identity.

reply to post by Orion437

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Hello Orion437,

That is because Mr Lenard did not take these photos. He probably
found them somewhere. I thought about it too, good call !!!


Peace

reply to post by sherpa

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your post makes a lot of sense, and very good points.

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(with my limited knowledge..).. NASA would quickly show me the door!

reply to post by SkepticOverlord

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Wow. That's really unfortunate. Not the banning but, the behavior that led to it.

Ya know, I have been thinking a lot about how others view me (and people like me), this forum and people who are attracted to it.

I think 99% of the people here are - most of the time - willing to entertain all sorts of views and opinions. I understand things get heated and I think I understand why: These are deeply held beliefs that sometimes question our very existence. Are we alone? Is there a secret government, or those within it that act in secret? What are those strange things we see in the sky from time to time? Has NASA been as open as I like to think they are? Many, many great questions, speculations and discussions happen here. ATS is a valuable resource that, in my opinion, is infinite.

Why then the seeming implosion(s) of more notable people? Why does there seem to be more damage done to our cause than help? Why are so many hoaxers drawn to this area of discussion? Personally, I believe that we are a group ripe for the picking. We desire truth so much that we are willing to believe obvious lies. We are willing to look the other way because we are so willing to believe. We know in the core of who we are that the truth is out there. It's no different than the bottom-feeders in Mexico who prey on terminal cancer patients by offering "miracle cures". I think it's human nature to be an easy target. Follow my previous example a little further: people without cancer are far more likely to consider some new "cure" for what it is because they don't have an emotional/real stake in what's presented. That same person who finds out a loved one is terminal will flop from a reasoned, thoughtful person to one that will believe just about anything because they emotionally need to find an answer. I know my example is rough but, I think you get the idea. We are ripe for the picking because we are looking for evidence about a subject we have already drawn conclusions on.

I hope as we discuss these things we realize all of us, me included (a skeptic) want to believe. I am so ready to believe it hurts. On some topics I absolutely do. On others, not so much. When someone like me brings up an objection, it's out of a search for the truth. A desire for real, pure evidence.

It is my opinion that people like Mr. Escamilla will not be the ones to expose the truth of what's "out there". I firmly believe it will be a debunker or a skeptic. Someone who does not have an emotional or more importantly a financial interest that is often juxtaposed against honest evaluations of all of the evidence in all of it's context.

In this particular thread ATS'ers were asking tough questions of Mr. E almost immediately. I was really hoping he was going to present some new/interesting information or data or ......... something.

I think it's fair to hold a little in reserve when someone who has a vested financial outcome is presenting evidence on these kinds of topics.

I hope that we, as ATS'ers can draw strength from our various slants, backgrounds, political biases, ideas and suggestions. Lets not focus on the fact that Mr. E imploded, or why. Lets, instead, focus on the fact that most of us are still here, following the rules, throwing ideas around and searching - together - for the truth.

Fair enough?

[edit on 20-12-2007 by SlightlyAbovePar]

reply to post by livo74

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I think your right but, may I offer a counter-point?

I think your right, and I think they did so with good reason. I'm not endorsing taking someone to task in these forums. Not at all, please allow me to continue.

Having said that; I think most of the posters you refer to smelled something fishy and lately, this is no place to posture. Especially if you're someone like Mr. E. I think the mood of ATS is one of "use the bathroom, or get off the pot".

Although the execution was poor (personal attacks), the motivation was correct (smelling a rat).

I think a better tactic is to let people hang themselves. Not literally of course, but figuratively. Which, is, IMO, exactly what happened. If there was something with teeth to all of these claims, if things were on the up and up, it would all be self evident.

reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar

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