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The Interstellar Case Files: by Jose Escamilla

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posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
reply to post by Palasheea

But in all things there is balance... since I started Pegasus I get just as many 'helpful' leads pointing me to those documents... The trickiest thing is knowing WHAT to search for... a simple word like MISTY and you would be surprised what that lead to
There are those inside who want it out... the only question is "which side is stronger.." And THAT is the scary part


Now imagine for a minute that these :secret spaceships" are up there... well they don't want you to find them... and if they are fitted with those new fangled beam weapons we have been reading about... well maybe if you are looking at them... THEY are looking at YOU Have you seen the quality of space photos these days? And I don't mean google Earth..

So maybe if you spot them they just push a button and..... ZZAAPPPPP

Pleasant Dreams
Happy Holidays





Er... was thinking about going back to bed but for some strange reason, after reading over your post (above) I've decided against it.





[edit on 19-12-2007 by Palasheea]




posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:19 AM
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Hello everyone,

This all story is getting so ridiculous...

Check this out :

Mr Escamilla : Everything I claim and state in this thread is fully documented and will hold up in any court of law.

Ok, this statement alone is kind of weird and brings doubts already...to me at least


Mr Escamilla : There is no movie promotion. In fact, if I find out that all is a hoax, I will not only pull the film, (Interstellar) but I will return every penny to every customer that paid to view the film.

No promotion, are you sure ? You probably forgot you had a website promoting it ?

Mr Escamilla : My original concept in releasing the film Interstellar, was to raise enough funds to have this apparatus built / patented and released to the public as cheaply as possible, so that every astronomer, whether amateur or professional, or anyone willing to do the research, could corroborate and document, all that John Lenard Walson and I revealed in the film Interstellar to be true.

and then :

Mr Escamilla : Forget this apparatus stuff! You know what? Lenard told me in so many ways, it's about "finding the sweet spot" between the camcorder and the optics of the lens of the scope!

Mr Escamilla, I really enjoyed your videos in the past, you did some good things by showing the world that Mexico and Latin America was a hot spot for sightings, which is true. Great. But if you start dealing with the wrong people (Crop Circles "specialists", rods "specialists" etc...) and now "Interstellar Spaceships specialists", you're just taking the wrong path and you will not only harm your business but also serious people (scientists) studying the UAP subject.

I'll finish by one question since Lenard told you some details about his "technique" :

How was Lenard able to set his telescope to track & follow these objects like he did knowing that he didn't know their orbital parameters ?

Hasta luego amigos...














[edit on 19-12-2007 by Europa733]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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A MUST READ!

www.wired.com...

Check out the above link entitled "I Spy"... it's a fascinating read about those satellite spotters out there and their quest for the elusive MISTY (lol, thanks Zorgon).

There's also a link for a site called Heaven's Above ... check that out too but first must register to that site to do that.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:37 AM
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Oh yes before I forget,



Mr Escamilla, you wrote this in your website :

"Scientists from NASA and astronomers from Cambridge and other universities in London, stand in awe of what they have witnessed through John Lenard Walson's backyard telescope."

Did they just watch the movies or they did see it thru Lenard's telescope ?


Hasta luego amigos...



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 08:43 AM
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I forgot about that!

He says it himself in the above mentioned 30 minute piece of fiction.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 09:03 AM
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I feel I've been a bit too demanding with all these rules, etc.ATS already has it figured, so I am going to really, really focus only on the subject and ignore the postings that get my irk-on. I just don't want the forum closed because of people's commentary.

It's raining again today and I am staying in. So I'll have time to upload these pages / stills finally.

Jose Escamilla



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Jose Escamilla
I feel I've been a bit too demanding with all these rules, etc.ATS already has it figured, so I am going to really, really focus only on the subject and ignore the postings that get my irk-on. I just don't want the forum closed because of people's commentary.


Dear Jose,

I have just asked you very simple questions and I am not here to glorify myself by putting other people down. You are in a public access forum hosted in America where freedom of speech is a big issue. I did not brake any of this forum rules by asking you these very simple questions above on the same page.

Not answering these questions will let us come to our own conclusions. Is that what you want ? I am giving you a chance to answer specific questions that could help you come out clean of this issue. It is up to you to clarify this matter, not us.

Thank you in advance for taking this message into account.



Hasta la proxima Senor Escamilla.










[edit on 19-12-2007 by Europa733]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Jose Escamilla
I feel I've been a bit too demanding with all these rules,

Oh, you think?
It's not your place to dictate rules to anyone here. It's your place to follow the rules already in place, which you haven't.

so I am going to really, really focus only on the subject and ignore the postings that get my irk-on.

Yeah, you've said that before. Several times.
This is getting tedious. The time you spent ranting and laying down "rules" (:lol
could have been spent posting, I don't know, evidence?

You, Mr. Escamilla, are rapidly losing what little credibility you came here with.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 10:13 AM
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Zorgon, that is what upset me the most when I lost all of my data on my external drive. I saved all the info and who knows what NASA left or removed from there sites after further review.

Now I know that it is a real problem and I will make sure that I back up any relevant info needed.

Thanks for the info
Stari



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 10:17 AM
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I agree with Subjectx on some points there, this isn't going well at all and i really wish it was. If I wasn't used to the trend of threads like this i would be pretty disappointed if it turned out to be a person war.

You basically just repeated your last post there Jose and I can't think of any time where you have answered anybody's questions, it's like we are not here, even the simple and courteous questions are being ignored.

I hate to moan about things and hate to put a negative slant on anything but i think i speak for a few people who post here that we are sick of claims that come to nothing. Guess this one go's into that bag also.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 10:25 AM
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Mr. Escamilla,

I haven't posted since my questions about why you are presenting all of this in this forum instead of to a lawyer. I indicated I am interested in more information on the topic of rods, and now also of these other items that are supposedly able to be captured via the tinkering of a telescope. Where has the point of all that gone, here? I don't think your friends Mr. Lenard and Gridkeeper are going to reply to you.

So, it's up to you now to gather the information and present it here to us, whatever you have. That is what you keep saying you are going to do, anyway, how many pages later?

I am personally now of the opinion that with all the demands you are making of the site here, and the rude back and forth banter, that possibly, if this is the way you behaved with Mr. Lenard and Gridkeeper, that this is why they are having nothing to do with you. Have you considered this?

I can honestly say, I have no further interest in your work whatsoever, because of your own behavior. If you have anything to sell, which is in my opinion, the entire reason for your being here, I sure am not buying anything. You have lost credibility with me, and I am for one, baffled with your whole point here.

Thanks for nothing!



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 11:04 AM
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I am not sure how useful this youtube video is for identifying locations because well, A it's youtube and B there is not that much sky to look at, but I will post it here anyway as it was posted by gridkeeper on the fast thread.




posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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Hi everyone,

Free-Spirit on page 12 of this topic posted the picture of the equipement used by Mr Lenard to film this videos, let's have a look at it :
s182.photobucket.com...

A friend of mine who is a confirmed astronomer told me that the equipment used by Mr Lenard to film "satellites" seems ok , the only thing is that he probably has a pretty good technique to follow objects without knowing their orbital parameters.

One question, what is (in the photos posted by Free-Spirit), the equipment (black box) used in the back of the telescope in the picture located in the lower right ?

Let me translate what my friend said :

"Knowing that the webcam allows him to get video as well, we could eventually think that by adding (superposition) different images (of artificial satellites) from the video that were taken in a rather short period of time to avoid perspective changes. This addition allows one user to show details that weren't there before. But if this method is used to a certain extent, it could add artefacts that do not exist in reality."

This is just an hypothesis, and only confirmed astrophotographers (I am not) know this techniques, but this could explain the strangeness of the objects filmed by Mr Lenard.

I thought about a trick earlier as well, specially because of 2 things :
- At least one of the photos & videos show a known satellite
- One video show a "morphing" object (changing shapes rapidly)

My 1st doubt about Mr Lenard being a "hoaxer" came up with the daytime ufo video in his backyard, that wasn't too smart, he probably knows it by now.

To come to an end sort of, I truely feel sorry for you Mr Escamilla, I am sure you are a good person but you do not have proper (if any at all) methods to identify hoaxers. I know it is hard and complicated but be more carefull in the futur.

You promised to remove the video if it was a hoax, well that is the best thing you could to to save your reputation if they are proven to be hoaxes.

Sincerly,
Europa aka Buck aka Undebunkable aka dumb -ss Frenchman


Don't believe the hype














[edit on 19-12-2007 by Europa733]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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If Mr Escamilla was serious about his research, it would all be available free of charge, and he'd welcome critical opinions on it, as any scientist would. As it is, he's teasing us with "oooh I've got this great evidence!" then following it up with some rambling excuse as to why he can't release it. It's the same with the damned rods. He's a one-trick pony, only serving to take money from people he should admire. Now he's on here wasting a bunch of good people's time with this nonsense.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Jose.



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 11:48 AM
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I'd advise anyone interested in the FAST/Interstellar fiasco to crossread a bit on the open minds forum F.A.S.T. thread.

Gets pretty hilarious from page 2 onwards......scammers bringing each others down
Have fun.


admin edit: For a multitude of reasons we don't allow links to that site on ATS.

[edit on 12-19-2007 by Springer]

[edit] whoops, didn't know that, sorry. but the thread there IS hilarious nonetheless


[edit on 19-12-2007 by Phil J. Fry]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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Jose, please be aware that gridkeeper has been posting like a mad dog in heat on here and in many other forums virtually going unchallenged as he dragged your good name through the coals.

I'm sure along the way he has garnered many minions who have had nothing but gridkeepers words and chattiness to base their opinions on you with and many others who have only read the past gridkeeper posts to base their's on.
And then there are those who take offense to anyone who is more successful then themselves and because of this they blame everyone around them for their shortcomings.

Either way, please be aware of this as many have and will walk through this door with only the self imposed need to try and carry on in such a manner, I guess that is what makes ATS what it is today as it was not always like this.

Personally that is what has held me up from posting over these many years of visiting this site, threads that bleed from insults to off topic remarks and nit picking on wordage as if they where some English Professor on exam day. Or they try to play the Judge of all Judges and believe it is within their right to decide where a members thread should be taken and what context it should cover and when...as if every post they make has a purpose above all others and of the greatest importance while complaining of the off topic posts and yet adding their own to the list of them.
When you try to put them in check they are the first to whine about their rights and the T&C while treading on yours. I think in the old days they called them trolls and there are many of them.

On the other hand you will not find a better place (well at least this is one of the better ones) to find awesome, knowledgeable like minded people to hold debate with and engage in fact finding conversations with on issues which are important to yourself along with those serious enough to contribute something more worthwhile then criticism. They do not understand the difference between critiquing and criticism.

I'm sure those that fit into the above description will be the first to comment as such, as it will hit them in the face with a resounding thump of "Hey...He's talking about me.!" which will only verify who's who in this thread.


Well.... nuff said about that.

I find it quite puzzling and strange that JLW, after going AWOL from your project and contract while demanding an outrageous price above and beyond what was agreed upon, would surface his footage through gridkeeper and a few others..though they may be one and the same .... and go on an all out viral campaign with the said footage. I am quite sure this was to search for a new buyer of his wares but that is only MHO.

The Interstellar Incident has become quite large now and has and is involving many players.
I have seen a small amount (Approximately less then 20% according to GK as some have come to call him) of what has been filmed with a large percentage of what has been kept back being in Hi Res.

They spoke of Level 10 footage ... GK released footage of a couple of aliens standing over an abductee ... Do you have any knowledge of this footage or have you seen it and also do you have any such level 10 footage in your possession that you may be releasing anytime soon?

And how about you Gridkeeper, why not post some level 10 footage @ blip
?

[edit on 12/19/2007 by Sorscoder]



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Europa733

A friend of mine who is a confirmed astronomer told me that the equipment used by Mr Lenard to film "satellites" seems ok , the only thing is that he probably has a pretty good technique to follow objects without knowing their orbital parameters.

One question, what is (in the photos posted by Free-Spirit), the equipment (black box) used in the back of the telescope in the picture located in the lower right ?

Let me translate what my friend said :

"Knowing that the webcam allows him to get video as well, we could eventually think that by adding (superposition) different images (of artificial satellites) from the video that were taken in a rather short period of time to avoid perspective changes. This addition allows one user to show details that weren't there before. But if this method is used to a certain extent, it could add artefacts that do not exist in reality."

This is just an hypothesis, and only confirmed astrophotographers (I am not) know this techniques, but this could explain the strangeness of the objects filmed by Mr Lenard.


If he was following the objects by hand the video should be very jumpy. And while your friend did accurately describe stacking frames, the result is a still picture, not a video unless many stacked images are strung together which should make the video seem to studder. To my knowledge, that's not the case here. (Incidently, your friend was right about the short time before the perspective shifts. It only takes about one second for the perspective to shift too much, dramatically limiting the number of frames you can use for this method.)



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 12:56 PM
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Gridkeeper spoke !!

It seems the man in question could'nt resist the temptation and posted
his reply to us ( and specially to me ) but in his own thread. If there
was any doubt about the personality of this guy just go and read here.
See my own reply, you'll be surprised.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by Sorscoder
I have seen this happen all to many times and your right, the paths to the info brings not only the attention from us who seek the info but also the attention of those who are trying to keep it from our scrutiny.


And there lies the problem the more we attempt to bring the info to the table, the more they see whats left lying around... I know for a fact that they have people watching the threads... long story showed it before... but have a read here... they are aware of the problem and you can bet things will get tighter...

www.defenselink.mil...

This also ties in to Gary McKinnon... in the interview video he mentions he saw pictures in a certain directory... the directory he mentions was the same location that vanished in the moon thread.. that one fact gave him some credibility in my books...

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Here is official policy on info sharing... this is an internal department of defense policy for military and government websites... quite an interesting read

www.defenselink.mil...



posted on Dec, 19 2007 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Stari
who knows what NASA left or removed from there sites after further review.


Backup is GOOD When my last crash happened, (a week before John was due for a three hour on C2C and the Living Moon site was set up to go with that) I went out to buy a file server... Mirra had a 500 gig plug and go that is amazing for 239.00 (not a sales pitch) Fortunately I had finished uploading all the important data to the server... globat gives you free domain, with 1 terrabyte prepaid for two years for under 200.00

So no more lost data... no more transfer issues...


As to NASA stuff disappearing I did a thread on the ISS... one item was the half ton of fresh fruit delivered to the ISS on Progress.... (never mind all that now
) What is important is I posted this beginning of September... Well I found a NASA page that showed the ISS and the fruit spread all over the table, astronauts juggling oranges... On Sept 14th the page was deleted... (fortunately google cache had a copy
) a few days later the page was replaced with an article about new methods of preserving fruit in space.

Coincidence?



Okay back to Gridkeeper... I need to see this response...

I do have one question though Jose... if he won't come out and play... why don't we just step over to his ball court and call him out, and see if he runs? Would that not be more efficient than both sides sitting in their corners?

Someone has to give a little...
to get the show on the road...



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