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Originally posted by melatonin
ABE: after reading the next post, avenger, I think you have some misunderstanding of the nature of science. A good book on philosophy of science would help. Science doesn't provide 100% proof, that's for mathematics.
Ah, yet another misconception is that there are no peer-reviewed anti-global warming papers out there. Here's a short listing of peer reviewed papers that dispute many of the warmie's claims:
Friends of Science
Originally posted by TheAvenger
Most of your comments don't merit a response, but my understanding of the nature of science has managed to get me by since 1972 when I began working in it. Perhaps I can be re-trained.
[S]cientists know quite precisely how much the planet will warm in the foreseeable future, a modest three-quarters of a degree (C) [in 50 years]
All this has to do with basic physics, which isn't real hard to understand. It has been known since 1872 that as we emit more and more carbon dioxide into our atmosphere, each increment results in less and less warming. In other words, the first changes produce the most warming, and subsequent ones produce a bit less, and so on. But we also assume carbon dioxide continues to go into the atmosphere at an ever-increasing rate. In other words, the increase from year-to-year isn't constant, but itself is increasing. The effect of increasing the rate of carbon dioxide emissions, coupled with the fact that more and more carbon dioxide produces less and less warming compels our climate projections for the future warming to be pretty much a straight line. Translation: Once human beings start to warm the climate, they do so at a constant rate
I think human beings are warming the planet and they have been doing so for several decades and they are responsible for a substantial part of the warming since 1975, but there are people out there that are very bright and very good scientists that will argue otherwise.
Look this new UN report comes out and it says human beings are warming the surface temperature. To me that is like a breathless announcement that there is gambling in Las Vegas.
The scandal took a dramatic turn on December 15, when Roh Sung-il, who collaborated on that paper, stated to media outlets that nine of those eleven lines had been faked; specifically, DNA tests illustrated that those nine lines shared identical DNA, implying that they had come from the same source. Roh stated that "Professor Hwang admitted to fabrication," and that he, Hwang, and another coauthor had asked Science to withdraw the paper. Adding fuel to the flame, MBC broadcasted the content of the canceled PD Su-cheop show, which substantiated Roh's claim.
On the same day, ABC news reported that Science had not yet received an official request from Hwang to withdraw the paper, and it had refused to remove Schatten's name from the paper, stating, "No single author, having declared at the time of submission his full and complete confidence in the contents of the paper, can retract his name unilaterally, after publication."
Several prominent scientists, including Ian Wilmut, who cloned Dolly the sheep in 1998, and Bob Lanza, a cloning expert based in Worcester, Massachusetts, did call on Hwang to submit his paper to an outside group for independent analysis---essentially, the same test used to determine parenthood for children of questionable legitimacy. Lanza noted, "You can't fake the results if they're carried out by an independent group. I think this simple test could put the charges to rest."
On May 12, 2006, Hwang was "indicted on embezzlement and bioethics law violations linked to faked stem cell research." Korea Times reported on June 10, 2007 that "The university expelled him and the government rescinded its financial and legal support. While being charged with fraud and embezzlement, he has kept a low profile at the Suam Bioengineering Research Institute in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province, where he is officially engaged in animal cloning. The government barred Hwang from conducting human cloning research.
Originally posted by Animal
Heliosprime I would be interested to hear your response to link
Thanks guys =)
[edit on 27-12-2007 by Animal]