Masonic Temple Taking fingerprints and toothprints at local fair

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posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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www.derrynews.com...
look under sept 15th for this quote


The Masonic Child Identification Program, CHIP, is hosted by St. Mark's Masonic Lodge, Derry, as part of the town's Derryfest celebration. The event is held from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. at St. Mark's Lodge, 58 East Broadway. Children 18 and younger will have a brief videotape interview, fingerprinting, and a toothprint will be made. All materials will be given to parents for safekeeping. No copies will be kept on file and program is free to all.


I was looking up the lodge in my area and i found this news article. When I first read this I was shocked and i bet they do keep copies. They were doing this at a local fair(Derryfest)...
Anyone else hear about this CHIP program by the masons.

Here is some info on they lodge in my area:
Derry

St. Mark's No: 44

68 E. Broadway

Derry

Worshipful Master : Ronald A. Lague 434-8022

Secretary: Edward M. Younker 432-2853

Meets: 3rd Monday except July/August


ps. im not a freemason....they wont except me because i dont believe in a god so i havent tryed joining. plus all they do is ritual magic and have dinners and talk and stuff.




posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by Pimpb1420 i bet they do keep copies.


Well, I would say that is QUITE an assertion. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

Its really not a strange service at all. When I was little I was fingerprinted too, mostly because my parents were a tad bit overprotective. Its obviously for those parents who fear "the worst" might happen to their child and they want to be able to identify whats left of them should it happen.

I personally don't care if my fingerprints are probably still sitting in my hometown police station. I won't be committing any crimes in the future, so I really don't care. And should they ever try to use it to violate my civil rights, I'll slap them with a multi-million dollar lawsuit so quick the ACLU would be impressed.


Originally posted by Pimpb1420 all they do is ritual magic and have dinners and talk and stuff.


While I do remember us having dinners and talking and "stuff", I distinctly do not recall any instance of ritual magic, in any degree from the 1st through the 32nd. I could be wrong here, but I don't think I am. My brethren, are you being little Harry Potters out there?


[edit on 15-12-2007 by LightinDarkness]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 07:28 AM
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The Freemasons just love theses little acronyms don't they. Like C.H.I.P. , as in chip

off the old block. Or the old saying of "turning a corner". Well I guess it makes since

you are the masons, you are the builders or the architects so naturally this type of

terminology is important to the members. Oh and by the way I would rather walk

barefoot on red hot coals then send one of my kids to a masonic i.d. program.

[edit on 15-12-2007 by greydawn]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 07:29 AM
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I've done the CHIPs program 4 years in a row and the parents are right by our side 100% of the time step by step. We put everything in a bag that they hold after each process including all paperwork.

Not one parent went through without thanking us for everything we did for their kids safety.

So what did you do for your community this year?



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 07:36 AM
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The whole process of fingerprinting and taking teeth prints is designed to indoctrinate

the kids into giving up there personal info, so that later on down the road they will be

more cooperative little slaves. You guys should start taking dna samples as well.

I think that would be kind of cute. Whether or not you keep the fingerpint samples

and teethprint samples is regardless. And I don't doubt the parents were happy about

the whole ordeal because they are just as brainwashed as you appear to be.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 07:37 AM
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before this thread gets too anti-mason, I'll say I was extremely skeptical at first (mostly because of the name, yikes!) but after further inspection, this appears to be a very beneficial service.

They basically take fingerprints and toothprints from a child, take his picture and lots of personal details (hair, eye color, name, age, etc.) This all goes into a packet for the parents, so that if their child ever turns up missing, kidnapped, etc. - they have a prearranged packet of info to give to police / etc. Instead of running around stressed out trying to compile the info.

As far as I know, none of this information is digital, and no copies are kept by anyone but the parents. It's not even maintained by a lodge or police department, only the parents.




I personally don't care if my fingerprints are probably still sitting in my hometown police station. I won't be committing any crimes in the future, so I really don't care.


what a horrid, orwellian mentality. This seems to be along the same lines as "why do you care about privacy, if you have nothing to hide?" mentality. Just thought I would point that out.

I think the CHIP program is a useful service for parents, nothing more.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:03 AM
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Ahh, I feel so much safer now knowing that some guys are taking the fingerprints

and teethprints of the local children. Would it be possible to have my samples taken

as well, then god forbid If I dissappear then maybe my family would be able to find

me. Why not start taking the DNA samples as well, fingerprint and teeth samples is so

twentieth century, come on get with the times. Really though to be honest I would like

to see a brain chipping porgram. You could call it B.R.I.C.K. or brain identification check.

That way the chipped could have there whereabouts tracked at all times. And with the

current size of the brain chip at around an eight of an inch on each side you would

hardly feel a thing. Why not just take your kids to the local police station to get

fingerprinted and have teeth imprints taken? Oh yeah its the same people, as many

cops are masons as well.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:09 AM
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While I do remember us having dinners and talking and "stuff", I distinctly do not recall any instance of ritual magic, in any degree from the 1st through the 32nd. I could be wrong here, but I don't think I am. My brethren, are you being little Harry Potters out there?


[edit on 15-12-2007 by LightinDarkness]



you might not know you are do ritualistic magic but you are.... you have rituals right? Like when you stand in an oblong square like the Egyptians did...when you do hand shakes....the apron...the trowl...ect.

lol...look at these pictures..you think everyone does this for fun?






posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:13 AM
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So what did you do for your community this year?


i let people know about Ron Paul so we can save our country. by the way can i be a mason(ask one to be one...free and accepted rite...lol)



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by greydawn
The whole process of fingerprinting and taking teeth prints is designed to indoctrinate

the kids into giving up there personal info, so that later on down the road they will be

more cooperative little slaves. You guys should start taking dna samples as well.

I think that would be kind of cute. Whether or not you keep the fingerpint samples

and teethprint samples is regardless. And I don't doubt the parents were happy about

the whole ordeal because they are just as brainwashed as you appear to be.


Your rite its all about coditioning...just like tv. if we didnt have tv do you think we would be as greedy as we are now. hell no because we wouldnt be constantly bombarded with new items and food.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by greydawn
Ahh, I feel so much safer now knowing that some guys are taking the fingerprints and teethprints of the local children.


not sure why that would make you any safer, unless you also have children and plan on entering them into the Mason's CHIP program.



Would it be possible to have my samples taken


I don't see why not.


If I dissappear then maybe my family would be able to find me.


That's the point, to do anything possible to keep your children safe, including getting things like fingerprints and teethprints, which could assist in an investigation. The types of things you may not be able to get after your child is missing.



Why not just take your kids to the local police station to get fingerprinted and have teeth imprints taken?


well, if they give you all the originals, and don't keep any on file themselves, I agree. They should offer this program as well. In fact, now that you mention it, it should be a program run by the police, since it's directly related to their line of work, and they get paid to do so. Masons are doing this for free.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:23 AM
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what a horrid, orwellian mentality. This seems to be along the same lines as "why do you care about privacy, if you have nothing to hide?" mentality. Just thought I would point that out.

I think the CHIP program is a useful service for parents, nothing more.


hmm...this whole process can be done by the parents and the masons can saty out of it. dont get me wrong im not a anti-mason because i believe everyone has the rite to do and believe what they want...as long as its not infringing on someone elses own freewill.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:25 AM
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Why not just take your kids to the local police station to get

fingerprinted and have teeth imprints taken? Oh yeah its the same people, as many

cops are masons as well.


lol...true....that is why cops act like they are above everyone and they speak down to them.

[edit on 15-12-2007 by Pimpb1420]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Pimpb1420
hmm...this whole process can be done by the parents and the masons can saty out of it.


i agree. I think it's easier when setting up a booth, because the process is already defined - instead of parents blindly organizing info, which could be discouraging. But ya, masons don't have to do this, and parents don't have to go to them. Again, it seems like a nice program.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:12 AM
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Does nobody ever check the archives before posting this stuff? Or is this really about posting the same ol' "information" in as negative a light as possible YET AGAIN?

A brief Google of the ATS archives searching on "masonic" and "C.H.I.P." yields:

3 pages of ill-informed, anti-Masonic nonsense from August 2003
»New World Order»This seems odd... Masonic database for kids?

3 pages of ill-informed, anti-Masonic nonsense from April 2005
»Secret Societies»Masons CHIP in to help fight child abductions


4 pages of ill-informed, anti-Masonic nonsense from March 2006
»Secret Societies»Freemasons CHIP /CHild Identification Program



3 pages of ill-informed, anti-Masonic nonsense from April 2006
»Secret Societies»Would you let them implant a free microchip in your child?


2 pages of ill-informed, anti-Masonic nonsense from March 2007
»Other Current Events»IL-CHIP....for the kids...


1 page of ill-informed, anti-Masonic nonsense from May 2007
»Secret Societies»Masonic CH.I.P. Program


4 pages of ill-informed, anti-Masonic nonsense from July 2007
»Secret Societies»guess what my local mason lodge is doing



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:18 AM
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This is the same process they do to criminals but in a better and more friendly to children and parents environment.

I really don't give a rats who is taking the fingerprinting be God or Virgin Mary, but neither my children or me are criminals so they can take their finger printing and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

I wonder if they will be doing the mouth swap for DNA also.


Children should be able to get old enough to make the decisions for themselves to give away their privacy and their personal information.

And this is my take of the discussion and my personal opinion.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:24 AM
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My parents had my brother and myself fingerprinted and footprinted in a similar program when we were younger. If I recall correctly I believe it was sponsored by the local PAL. I do not think anything detrimental arose from this and I do not feel that my privacy was somehow revoked or infringed.

To the best of my knowledge I was never abducted so this information was not ever needed. Also, I have subsequently been fingerprinted on other occasions so it would seem the whole point is moot for me anyway.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:48 AM
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Fitz and Augustus, my friends...

Again you are both right on the money in a sea of misinformation...

Such a shame really, when the Brothers have to AGAIN deflect unwanted and unsubstantiated criticism of the craft, time and again...

As a soon to be Mason, I truly consider it my honour and duty to my Brothers to deny ignorance of the craft where and when I can, with the utmost discretion if necessary of course...

Folks....Please, before you go on a Mason bashing spree here...Take into account the great good Masons do in many communities world wide, before you bash...

If you have a specific brief against the Brotherhood, by all means spell it out and many of the Brothers here will do their level best to answer your questions and so on to the best of their combined abilities...As always...

To blindly bash and berate without considering all sides of the subject in question in my mind, is short sided at the least...

Please...If we are going to have a discussion on this great board about anything to do with Masonry, let it be in a structured intelligent manner,with equal input from Masons and non Masons alike


Peace all



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
This is the same process they do to criminals but in a better and more friendly to children and parents environment.

I really don't give a rats who is taking the fingerprinting be God or Virgin Mary, but neither my children or me are criminals so they can take their finger printing and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

I wonder if they will be doing the mouth swap for DNA also.


Children should be able to get old enough to make the decisions for themselves to give away their privacy and their personal information.

And this is my take of the discussion and my personal opinion.


marg? You do realise that ALL the information (and it is only information) is given to the parents and no copies are kept? You realise that this is just a way to get parents to have this sort of identifying information readily available should the unthinkable happen to their child? You realise that CH.I.P. is an acronym for (IIRC) CHild Identification Program? You realise that through numerous previous threads on the exact same misinformation, despite being s'n-word'ingly accused of being paedophiles, unwitting agents of the NWO, etc. Masons have patiently (and sometimes not so patiently) pointed these self-same points out to previous incarnations of clueless idiots?

When does it end?



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:10 AM
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I love how the ATS naughty-word-filter handles a Britishism that rhymes with bigger.





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