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FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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reply to post by thedman
 


Where is the other engine and how did any 38,200 pound engine end up 1/4 mile from any alleged crash scene alleged to be Flight 93? And why were there no engine marks or more than a few pounds of graphite at the alleged crash scene? Did the alleged flight lose both engines before they got there, or were there no engines on the alleged Flight 93?

I am 99.9% certain that if any 38,200 pound @ engines were dropping out of the sky, off any plane at least a 1/4 mile from a crash site, someone would definitely have noticed rural or not.

The engine housing of the 757 is made of graphite. Therefore, engine parts have to be close to where any alleged engine parts would land very close by. 38,200 pound @ engines are incapable of bouncing and flying through the air at least 1/4 mile away from any aircraft crash site.




posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Entertain this idea and tell me whats wrong with it.


I can't quite tell what the idea is.

Are you saying that a cruise missile brought down flight 93?



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Essedarius
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Are you saying that a cruise missile brought down flight 93?


Nope. I am saying there was no plane at all and a cruise missile or a bomb could be responsible for the crater at Shanksville and not Flight 93 a Boeing 757.

The flight 93 shot down theory was proven misinformation ment to confuse and obsefucate the truth that no plane crashed.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Nope. I am saying there was no plane at all and a cruise missile or a bomb could be responsible for the crater at Shanksville and not Flight 93 a Boeing 757.


So who shot the missile...or planted the bomb? And why? (In your opinion...)

This is a new theory for me so you'll have to excuse the basic questions.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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Remember, no plane crashed in Shanksville.

So with that in mind, all talk about shoot downs, bouncing engines, "atomizing" plane parts, speeds, etc, as you can see these are the craziest of conspiracies surrounding Flight 93 and they ARE the official story.

So in my opinion it is pointless to talk about what could just be made up evidence.

As the pic above shows. Its ridiculous to try to be convinced that plane crashed there. You cant be convinced a plane crashed. A plane didnt crash there.

[edit on 3-1-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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Excellent collage Ivan. You have answered a very important question for me. That was, which way was the plane facing in relation to the crater and the tree line?

If the left wing supposedly impacted at the "X", how did the fireball go shooting off to the right into the woods?



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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Nope. I am saying there was no plane at all and a cruise missile or a bomb could be responsible for the crater at Shanksville and not Flight 93 a Boeing 757.


Witnesses saw a commercial aircraft crash. No witnesses saw a bomb or cruise missile.

Are you proposing a holographic bomb/cruise missile? I hope so. The truth movement can handle another flyover theory.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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How did you scale the aircraft in your image?

You need to rotate the aircraft about 110° clockwise.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 10:33 PM
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Some of those farms were very close to the alleged crash site or show that way in photos. Exactly what details do they give for description of that alleged plane diving in so close to their farms and other non-farm residential homes?



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by OrionStars
I am 99.9% certain that if any 38,200 pound @ engines were dropping out

38,200 pound @ engines are incapable of bouncing and flying through the air at least 1/4 mile away from any aircraft crash site.




Each engine weighed 38,200 lbs?

You're a treasure trove of useful information....



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 12:22 AM
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Remember, no plane crashed in Shanksville.


[edit on 3-1-2008 by IvanZana]


I found this clipping from a newspaper from Somerset county from a Emergency worker
copy paste web.archive.org/web/20021224090652/ with www.emsmagazine.com/issues/article0017d.html


September 15, 2001�To my family and friends: Because I know all of you are curious and many of you will ask, I am preparing this document to send to you. From my brief time here, I already know that this is something that will live with me forever. I was told that a team of Navy Seals came in yesterday heavily armed and escorted a truck full of debris out of here. This is a very tense place.




[edit on 4-1-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 4-1-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 12:29 AM
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The link is broken Ivan. Any corroboration on the SEALs?



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Essedarius
So now, ULTIMA, how do you reconcile that belief with your other MIHOP beliefs regarding the government?


Well if you would read my post you would know i am not a MIHOP.

I am looking for the truth of what happened that day.

But i do have to side more with the LIHOP since the governemt had so many warnings that something was going to happen and it would probably involve hijackings.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 01:45 AM
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There seems to be only one person who claims to see a comercial airliner

The other witnesses are audio and post crash witnesses.

This is from a Debunking Conspiracy theorists webpage
www.debunk911myths.org...
(they only thing they debunk is the very same stupid 911 theories they sponsored/created)




Rollock Inc. scrap yard: (300 yards) Lee Purbaugh saw the plane at an altitude of 40 or 50 feet till it crashed. His coworker Tim Lensbouer only heard the plane.
(Pittsburgh Post Gazette, 9/12/01 b; Independent, 8/13/02)
Jere Longman: Among the Heroes)
www.mirror.co.uk...
www.post-gazette.com...


Lee purbaugh was on his 2nd day of work at the Rollock Scrap yard (whos backyard is the shankville crater site) after recently leaving Active Military Service.

He said the plane flew over his head around 40-50 ft(3-5 car lengths) above him. , hahah, now thats what i call a poorly thought out cover up.

As you can see Rollock is over the hill from the crash site. almost 1km away.


This next 'eyewitness' is priceless

"My instinct was to run toward it, to try to help" said Nina Lensbouer, Tim's Lensbouer's wife and a former volunteer firefighter. "But I got there and there was nothing, nothing there but charcoal. Instantly, it was charcoal."



That because what ever cause the 20x10 ft. crater uprooted coal.

The Shanksville crater site was a surface coal mine.

The wings scar is just natural fissures that can be found around somerset county.

Looks like something like a military ordinnance (bomb/missile) created the crater after hitting the already present fissure/scar.

This next picture is of one of many natural "wing scars" that can be found within a couple of km's from the Shanksville missile crater.


This next scar is only meters away from the crater.


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[edit on 4-1-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 02:22 AM
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[edit on 4-1-2008 by IvanZana]

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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 02:31 AM
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i belive the coronors witnesses sais it all ,

they stoped searching for bodies after 20mins becuase there wherent any ,


yet another case of belive it or not u.s goverment propaganda


norad stand down
wtc 7
flight 93

comm´on people open your eyes ,



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 02:44 AM
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So what do they each weigh?



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by OrionStars
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So what do they each weigh?


Ok, tell you what, no more flaming.

Each engine provides 38,200 lbs of thrust.

They weigh around 4-6 tons each. I'm not looking it up.

And the part they found, NOT at least 1/4 mile away, but 300 yds away, and down hill, weighed prolly 1500 lbs.

Good lord, someone gave you a star for this post.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams.

[edit on 4-1-2008 by MikeVet]



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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I agree. The figure was absurd. As absurd as embracing a guesstimate from NIST, which is obviously a guesstimate.

As for jetliner engines, they do not bounce, roll, or work upward and outward against gravity. At high velocity inpact, the engine housings made of graphite would be severely compromised, as would the parts in the engines. So what explosive force (foot pounds of thrust) could force two jetliner engines to land so far away from an alleged jetliner crash, as you keep asserting?

What are the exact laws of physics that tell you it is possible for two engines, at the weight range you guessed, to land 900' (300 yards) from any alleged crash scene? Where exactly were they both alleged to be located? What physical evidence proves they landed where you assert distance landed?



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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Map of debris field.

i114.photobucket.com...



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