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FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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3-forgotten again that 95% of the plane was recovered again? Forget about the tree fires again? Forget about the human remains again?


Show me the 95% of the plane. Show me the reports on the human remains or even the remains themselves.

And how do you explain that small of a fire in the trees with all that fuel?




posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
What are your questions?



Now, to prove your point, you must provide evidence that THAT particular area, after being reclaimed from being a strip mine, was allowed by whatever governing agency to start a scrapyard above it.

Can you provide this proof, or is it pure unfounded baseless speculation on your part?



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:06 PM
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Where did I claim to have proof? Is this your only question?



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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dbl post, should refresh more often




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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by OrionStars
reply to post by MikeVet
 


Please, no one has to live near any landfill or scrapyard to get all types of metal scraps in their urban or suburban yards or on their land.

In rural areas, we often get an overabundance of it, depending on who is putting in what housing development and taking our rural land away. Galvanized for HVAC ductwork ends up on our land all the time. It's is wide open, and winds quite often winds have high velocity quite capable of taking light metal scrap and moving it far and away to our land.


So then a photo of this should be easy to get and post on image shack or whatever hosting site you want to use..

Please post this picture of this all over the place and I'll believe that to be your situation, cuz it's never been mine.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by MikeVet
 


Where did I claim to have proof? Is this your only question?



I'm not even asking for proof.

I'm asking for evidence, no matter how skeezy it might be. Otherwise, all these claims about there being a scrapyard there have been totally unfounded, yeah?



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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Your own words:



The only evidence is that there's a scrap yard in the area.


Moving on now?



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox

Moving on now?



Nope, there's a scrapyard in the general area. How far away from the crash site again?

I asked for evidence that there was a scrapyard on the exact site of the crash. Otherwise, your claims are unfounded.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:21 PM
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I noticed that. Apparently, as in NYC, either no one told them to wear masks, or told them they did not need them.

In NYC, many people, particularly those doing clean-up, are affected with some various detrimental and lethal illnness. At least part of those illnesses are indicative as being caused by radioactive and/or toxic chemical poisoning. That would have nothing to do with jet fuel alone, unless someone was drinking it.

www.aar.co.uk...

www.wtcnuke.com...



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:21 PM
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I never explicitly stated that there was a scrapyard exactly at any location. I had originally said the site was used as a dump. Obviously someone dumped scrap metal there, because there was NO airplane.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:26 PM
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I must go now, but I think I will keep checking back after all. If only to torment the ignorant.


I am still looking for a good explanation on the missing fuel.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by MikeVet
 

I had originally said the site was used as a dump. Obviously someone dumped scrap metal there, because there was NO airplane.

I wouldnt even go that far because i have yet to see a picture in context with the crater that show any metal what so ever.

so the scrap metal in the hole is bunk too.

Im guessing mike your next post will be asking me to proof stuff that needs no proving.

I will not adress your issues for they are YOUR issues and not mine.

You have yet to sway ANYBODY and have accomplished to antagonize pretty much everyone.

It was a nice effort. not really.


Please dont bother repliying to this. I dont care really what you have to say, its not 911 madness by any means, but more of an awakened state of mind that sees no point in your views. Imho. you know




Forget the scrap metal issue.

Originally posted by OrionStars
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IvanZana, speaking only from the viewpoint of a potential juror in any court case, with expert testimony coupled with what you have presented, I personally believe you have a very strong circumstantial case, which could very probably be won.


Thank you, I am glad your intelligent.

If this is a missile crater and to assume some agency covered this up, i would assume they would provide you with some scrap metal pics.

But really, I have yet to see any aircraft parts any where around that hole let alone any sign that a small compact car was whipped at the ground at 612mph.

What do you think would happen if you whipped a car down on a refilled strip coal mine at 700mph?

I can picture a crushed, unreconizable, steel lump.

Now picture a fully fueled boeing. then look at the hole

NoTe: Notice the people in the white and yellow hazmat suits arent even in the hole? nobody in the missle crater? why? nothing there i guess.

They are looking for confetti. possibly from something like this?


Eyewitness did recall seeing a very slim.small,fast.white,seemless, screaming object..etc.

Note at 20+ seconds in the vid when the cruise missile is cruising.

Could it be confused for a comercial airliner?

It sure looks like one.

The crater and the damage to the tree are tell tale sign of a missle or ordinance.

On 911 there were terror drills that involved Northamerica in whole.

The drill involved multiple tagets such as fake radar blips to teach the youg guys at Norad what to look for, the airforce were conducting mock hijackings with real comercial airliners aswell as multiple cruise missiles .

Many people were tracking "Flight 93" blip, and if this blip was really a cruise missile, how would you remove that blib and explain it to the world?

Or are you going to say," ummm we aah, we were doing mock hijackings crashing into real targets as well as simulating a multiple terror attacks and russian cruise missile attacks".

I'd go with " It nose dived and crashed" way easier.

All you have to do is hire a bunch of no minded copy pasters to try to debunk what is most evident in conspiracy forums and news sites for a decade atleast.

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:30 PM
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Then logic dictates, if metal was already there, any metal viewed from a distance may or may not be plane part metal. Not until someone can take it to a lab and then positively identify that metal could be specific metal used on Boeing commercial jetliners.

Then specifics have to place that particular piece of metal, on a particular jetliner, alleged to be Flight 93, Boeing 757, Serial Number whatever and airline ID number whatever.

I am not looking up the airline ID number at this time though I do have it saved for reference.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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I did not see any scrap metal in the hole at the Shanksville site, above or at ground level, though I was falsely accused of saying I did.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by MikeVet
 


I had originally said the site was used as a dump. Obviously someone dumped scrap metal there,


Oh really?

Do you have any evidence then, no matter how skeezy, of there being a trash dump at that exact location? Anything at all?

Otherwise, you're making statements based on nothing at all.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox

I never explicitly stated that there was a scrapyard exactly at any location.


jackinthebox
posted on 1-1-2008 @ 11:20 PM
The field was used as a dump for metal debris.


Ohhhhh, yes you did.

Spin away.....



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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There was such a jet in the vicinity — a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft." — not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.


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FACT: Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.


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So you have people that were involved in the investigation that part of the plane WAS recovered.






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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 03:05 PM
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The biggest probelm with the Flight 93 site is the 2 distinct debris fields far away and the 1 engine about 1/4 mile away.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana



IvanZana
posted on 2-1-2008 @ 02:29 PM
I wouldnt even go that far because i have yet to see a picture in context with the crater that show any metal what so ever.
so the scrap metal in the hole is bunk too.

OrionStars
posted on 2-1-2008 @ 02:33 PM
I did not see any scrap metal in the hole at the Shanksville site, above or at ground level,



So Ivan, you posted a photo on pg15 of this thread that clearly show metal debris at 5 o'clock. Did you forget about your own evidence that you've presented?

Orion, care to change your tune also?


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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 03:19 PM
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Maybe this help:


Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater — not 6 miles — easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest — toward Indian Lake.


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