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Tissue with the potential for further identification is placed in a bag and the Victim Processing Record is checked in the left margin to indicate the stations where the specimen should be routed. All specimens go to Photography, Radiography, and DNA.
Record next sequential morgue number available and provenience (or other identifying information from the scene) on the flip chart.
Team sorts through materials to separate tissue from other material.
There is a discrepency in the evidence brought forth for the burning in the woods. Initial photos showed no such burning.
Why did "pools of jet fuel" not ignite? Where is a single photo showing such residue? Why was there only one puff of smoke, instead of the continuous black greasy smoke plume common in airline disasters?
Although it may have been impossible to determine if stab wounds were indeed cause of death, there were fragments large enough to display the wounds. Why are no such fragments apparent in the photos? This quote would lend support to my statement that if there were indeed body fragments present at the scene,
If they could not be positively identified, then how do we know they were al-Qaeda?
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
After reading some of your posts, I dont think so.
Since when are multiple facilities needed to determine identification of human remains? Oh, only when it is the GOVERNMENT (thanks for once again validating statements I have posted). The AFIP remains as the premier facility for identifying human remains. As for being studied in the sciences, I again look back to some of your posts and suggest you should ask for your money back. Unless you are self-taught....thats something else entirely.
Except its not an argument. It is a statement from a career member of the United States military who is tired of being accused of all sorts of heinous actions by people like you. You are unwilling to believe the emergency response teams, the coroner, the law enforcement personnel, the volunteers, the eyewitnesses, the physical evidence and finally the local, state and federal government when it comes to flight 93. So the question remains, if you do not like it here...why are you still here?
Except this isnt "science validation", its the identification of human remains, no other time is "testing by well more than one source" required for this.
And again, you lump ALL of us government employees into the "Bush administration". The only reason why the "Bush Administration" is "highly suspect" is because too many people are so willing to believe everything they read on the internet.
Working largely at Dover Air Force Base (AFB), Dover, DE, the teams brought together all the armed services to identify their fallen comrades...Military personnel were identified largely through
dental and DNA (deoxyribo nucleic acid) records kept on file.
I have seen enough evidence and talked to enough of my friends who were THERE that day.
You want to discuss evidence, there is a hell of a lot more evidence that muslim extremists hijacked flight 93 and crashed it when the passengers attempted to retake the plane than there is that its some American born conspiracy.
I question your need to believe that the US Government is evil.....not very objective is it?
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
You must really think that we are completely inept in this country. We have ticketing agents, gate agents, flight attendant calls...ALL that identified the names and descriptions of the hijackers. The hijackers used credit cards to buy stuff, which led to even MORE people who were able to identify who they were. THEN we start asking intelligence services around the world for their help....not really all that hard to figure it out in the end.
Note that there should be photos. I would like to see them myself, but would accept the word of a trusted independant investigator.
These documents would be helpful without violating victim privacy. We could know what piece was found where,
We can see security footage of the Colombine massacre on the internet, but we can't see the evidence of wether or not there were human remains recovered at the Flight 93 scene?
What about this other material. If 95% of the plane was recovered, wasn't it all piled up at the scene. Where is the big pile of airplane parts? Why has there never been a picture of it released?
In debate, your ad hominem comment was your point of argument. Ad hominem or red herring strawman is always logical fallacy in any debate.
Actually, science validation involves anyone running the same test by same methodology achieves the same result ss someone else. When they do not, therein lies serious problem. Obviously, someone is wrong and someone is right. It cannot be left that way until something conclusive is agreed on by science peers.
The Bush administration is "ALL of us government employees"? How so? When elected officials leave offices, the balance of federal employees are not replaced at the same time as well. Since they are not, that does not equate to all federal government employees are part of any presidential adminstration.
I was not aware of any military personnel. Does anyone have any stats on that?
Please state their names, and reasons for being at the scene.
This is a statement of opinion and I disagree with it. If you have evidence, post it.
"Ten months prior to 9/11, Office of Secretary of Defense (Rumfeld) holds exercise of an airliner crash into the Pentagon!" Peter Tiradera 9-11 Coup Against American! The Pentagon Analysis
They were also successfully tested as drones, i.e. KC-767.
Depends on which vantage point was used in taking the pictures, because the people first on the scene DID describe the burning in the woods.
Well I would have to guess that the breakup on impact spewed fuel that didnt have an ignition source. Why is there not a single photo that shows the residue? Have you seen every last image taken of the crash site? I havent, only the ones Ive been able to find online or see in reports. As for the puff of smoke...unless you have a continuous video that runs from just before impact until the firefighters put out the fires, you have no clue as to how much of what kind of smoke there was.
And why on earth do you continue to think that you should be privy to every last photo taken of the crash site? Out of respect for the families, we do not need to see what was left of their loved ones. Just like we dont need to know what was found of Columbia's crew, or Challenger's crew or the USS Cole etc.....
You must really think that we are completely inept in this country. We have ticketing agents, gate agents, flight attendant calls...ALL that identified the names and descriptions of the hijackers. The hijackers used credit cards to buy stuff, which led to even MORE people who were able to identify who they were. THEN we start asking intelligence services around the world for their help....not really all that hard to figure it out in the end.
Someone should be allowed to see them and to confirm their existence. Furthermore, could you please provide witness statements of those who claim to have viewed and/or recovered the remains.
None of this identifies the hijackers. Ticketing and gate agents only saw someone claiming to be someone. Description by flight attendants is not conclusive evidence either, unless able to pick a photo out of a lineup. Do you believe that the hijackers used credit cards in their own names? What about the hijackers who were found alive? Supposedly the real hijackers stole their identities. So who were they then? And more importantly, who did they work for?
Intelligence services are not conducive to cooperation. CIA and the FBI can't even help eachother, why would other services around the world want to "help" America? Are you kidding me here?
I believe the myth of fuel being present at the scene has already been debunked
The vapors would have permeated the entire scene more than the liquid fuel even.
The majority of the remains were found in what was the forward section of the jet (first class/cockpit area).
Plenty of military personnel at the Pentagon. Read the whole thing, it discussed the identification efforts for all of the victims that day.
My friends have dealt with enough lunatics in the last six years. No way in hell im posting their names.
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
The majority of the remains were found in what was the forward section of the jet (first class/cockpit area).
I did post links that showed pictures of the parts, including one of a roll away dumpster full of wreckage.
Again, it was a statement, not an argument.
And again, you demand something that normally does not happen when it comes to DNA identification of human remains.
And yet, you expect career government employees to fail to do their jobs because of who the President may or may not be.....
"We couldn't possibly have known this. We didn't know that airliners are subject to this kind of attack." Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld
"Ten months prior to 9/11, Office of Secretary of Defense (Rumfeld) holds exercise of an airliner crash into the Pentagon!" Peter Tiradera 9-11 Coup Against American! The Pentagon Analysis
The Oct. 24-26, 2000 Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise, part of an annual emergency response rehearsal, envisioned a commercial airliner crashing into the Pentagon, killing 341 victims. The Pentagon is less than a mile from Reagan National Airport and is daily in the flight path of small commuter planes. Larger airliners generally fly to the east of the massive building over the Potomac River.
Other scenarios rehearsed included a terrorist "incident" at the Pentagon subway stop and a construction accident Linked from 911myths.com
They were also successfully tested as drones, i.e. KC-767.
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by OrionStars
Ten months prior to 9/11 would have been December 11, 2000. Rumsfeld was not sworn in until January 20, 2001. So much for Rumsfeld holding an exercise of an airliner crashing into the Pentagon.
Presuming I was referring to his office of Secretary of Defense, which I was not.
I was referring to his membership in CFR, when at least 6 rehersals prior to 9/11 were being done, at the behest of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) and members of same.
Originally posted by Boone 870
You may not have been, but the person you were quoting was.
"Ten months prior to 9/11, Office of Secretary of Defense (Rumfeld) holds exercise of an airliner crash into the Pentagon!" Peter Tiradera 9-11 Coup Against American! The Pentagon Analysis