Ive been following each and every post and link of this thread from the beginning. Great read.

Just one thing that doesnt seem to be brought up though:

We all learned on Miami Vice, that if you want to wage a war on drug-lords, you have to have a few undercover rats, a few who become just like them, do what they do, get close to them. Isnt at least part of the feds & agencies involvement with drug-trafficking linked to that?

just can't see Jesus with a machine gun...or leading a revolution of armed masses hell bent on justice...just can't see this issue being addressed at all....most people have known or suspected for years that the CIA are crooks...nothing new here...just a reminder that they are still in business & have nothing to worry about......(YET).........GB

Originally posted by goosdawg

Not a word about this in the MSM.

Hmmm, wonder why?

Let's torture someone connected to this in the CIA and find out.

Never mind the mainstream media.

How about just one credible source.

Just because you found it on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

Just one credible corroborating source.

That's all I ask.

[edit on 2007/12/15 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Cuhail



Ya made me chuckle with that "Let's torture a CIA agent..." quip. Good one.

Why don't we hear about this in the MSM? It's definately worthy of coverage. I believe every word of it too. My brother wound up fixing CIA planes in the 80's (in Kansas) and came across drugs a few times. They were after him for a while and because of all this he now lives in Germany where he has for the last 20 years. But that's neither here nor there.

The crux of the matter is that the CIA is bad. Period. I haven't heard nearly enough to warrent the vast powers they have to torture, kill, etc. I've heard a lot more about their drug connections all over the world than any sincere report that they're gathering intellegence for my U.S. Government.

Grrrr.
Cuhail

If your brother was really hiding from the CIA in Germany, what kind of brother are you to tell everyone (including the CIA) that he has been in Germany for the last 20 years?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Never mind the mainstream media.

How about just one credible source.

Just because you found it on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

Just one credible corroborating source.

That's all I ask.

If you visit some of the other threads I linked to at the bottom of the first page of this thread, you'll see a number of posts I have made with hard evidence backing them up—bills of sale and registration documentation directly from the FAA and so on. If you're referring to evidence of CIA involvement, there is no hard evidence. The most interesting evidence at this point is the co-purchaser's involvement with the DEA, FBI and CIA. If you check back in a few weeks, I should have some new records that may shed light on any past connections, but I'm not expecting much. Unlike others, I'm not claiming the CIA was operating this aircraft at the time of the crash, nor am I even claiming there is any government involvement at all.

Originally posted by CharlesMartel
That site says "possible" flights for the CIA. There is no proof that any of the charter flights are for the CIA.

You are quite correct that it does not confirm a CIA connection, however, if the aircraft did fly to Guantanamo Bay, that is a U.S. military base, and the aircraft had to have had some sort of government connection at the time it landed there, if it did in fact land there. It could have been a military flight, it could have been flying an official or a politician down, it could have been a government contractor, but it had to have had some sort of official business at that time in order to land there. If it did land there.

Originally posted by runetang
Gee I wish I was one of the first responders to the scene.

I'm sure no one would notice if a cup full of the stuff got scooped out before any of it was weighed and measured and confiscated

I 2nd that. I don't know what kind of "torture" they are doing with cocaine but I personally would like a go at it.

[edit on 12/15/2007 by LouisXI]

Registrant:
joao malago
4811 Lyons Technology Parkway
Suite 08
Coconut Creek, FL 33075
US

Domain name: DONNABLUEAIRCRAFT.COM

Administrative Contact:
malago, joao donnablueair@yahoo.com
4811 Lyons Technology Parkway
Suite 08
Coconut Creek, FL 33075
US
+1.5612397585 Fax: +1.8134342358

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 20-Aug-2007.
Record expires on 21-Aug-2008.
Record created on 21-Aug-2007.

_________________________----
so now we have a name
malago joao
which sound like a bunch of letter stuck together but ill search it after i post this.
an a an email address. which is probably fake also
theres also a phone number.
but one article posted hear says donna blue offices where empty so the phone number probably doesnt work either.

ill dig a little deeper an see what i can get from here

i did a reverse phone lookup an got
Location -Boca Raton
County -Palm Beach
Provider -Nextel Communications
Phone Type -Wireless

still editing

[edit on 16-12-2007 by DalairTheGreat]

Originally posted by birchtree

John, I have heard that this jet might have departed from St. Petersburg. I think that with a pair of dividers and an air chart we could delve into this further. Assuming we do have the origin and the point of impact you can use the average cruising speed as a mean and the max fuel that it departed with in a way to assess a type of connect the dots. It is plausible.
Unless the keys are in the car(Flight plan)

Thanks for the post birchtree. My opinion is that the CIA oversees the production and distribution of the major portion of illegal drugs in the world. It always has and it always will. After all, who do you want in charge of that kind of money? Some nut like Dr. No? Of course not.

Governments throughout history have controlled the drug trade, why do you think illegal drugs are illegal? They are a constant cash flow. So forget about dividers and airpseeds and fuel loads. It was an accident and accidents will happen.

I estimate that 90 percent of the U.S.'s illegal drugs enter via Gitmo. It would be major refueling stop from South America. There are many places to go from there where you won't be bothered by customs checks.

I know weve talked about this before under a diff auspice, but I do not think people understand about the peoples economy in Afghanistan and how the poppy fields are being used by the Taliban to offer farmers advance loans and then when Government troops destroy them it puts a bad spin on our (the US) direct relations with influencing the population to provide information on activities.

The U.S. controls the major portion of the cultivation and production of the opium poppy in Afghanistan. If the Taliban is caught dealing they get killed. Its our product. We paid for it with American lives, American technology and American cash. We need every dime made on illegal drug sale and distribution and anyone caught trying to cut themselves in on our deal are going to get a great big fat B-1 right up their butt.

Butt thanks for the post.

Hey everyone, I'm pretty new to ATS but stuff along these white lines has been a subject of personal interest to me. It's great to find out on this thread how you can look up flight plan records and other things.

In any case I want to share probably the oddest, but most illuminating thing I have heard from a government employee this year, about how this aircraft registration stuff works.

I asked him (back in January) about another CIA-linked coke plane, which Hopsicker dubs "cocaine one," and what the deal was.

This plane did not have a current owner. Its FAA registration was suspended. So i asked the Govt Dude if there is some kind of archaic loopholes to the FAA's registration system.

He told me that indeed, basically the FAA was set up from the get-go to let the elite hide aircraft ownership thru loopholes. By flipping crafts back and forth between shell companies, if one gets caught during its drug flight, responsibility vanishes. And this has happened numerous times during the Bush regime. (then he told me about personally searching for a missing iran contra pilot 20 yrs ago, FAA burned the flight records! This was the first govt employee I ever asked about this stuff!!!)

Essentially what we're looking at here is the "central banking financed warfare" system funnelling max cash into the CIA's friends on Wall Street. Everything gets back into the System. I feel nowadays that 9/10ths of the "big illuminati master" conspiracies are really just arrays of front companies. If you want to be a master, get good at setting up shells. Enron, Savings and loan scandal (a subset of Iran Contra fraud really), all these things involve tons of East Coast Country Club Cabal front companies.

I'll name a few key sources for my view on this:
Wayne Madsen: seems a little crazy sometimes, but really his angles are turning out to be true quite a bit.
Katherine Fitts: lookup Narco Dollars for Dummies, the stuff about RJR Nabisco selling cigs to Mafias, etc. Dillon Read, Dyncorp, Pug Winokur and the Harvard Endowment, Prison Industrial Complex, the Tapeworm economy = the 'wastes of money' = profits!!
Daniel Hopsicker: I agree with someone's comments above, that he jumps to conclusions. However it's still damn fine footwork around the Florida Corruption Morass, and "Barry and the Boys: the CIA, the Mob and America's secret history" is a must-read to get a handle on how the Good Ol Boys operate in a higher realm to do what they want. Once you're making enough cash on it, any money laundering penalties are just a percentage to the Feds.
Al Martin: his book "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider" was a difficult book to read, but totally indispensable and unique, helping me to understand how Martin himself, a "fourth level player" in Iran Contra, specialized in setting up the hordes of interlocking front companies, Trinity Oil and Gas, he was in the room when Oliver North ordered the hit on Barry Seal, etc. This book is very badly edited and the chapters seem out of order, but you can really grasp the texture of how it worked then and obviously still works now.
Also of course NarcoNews.com is the straight dope on current happenings.

Other than that, well I've decided that most drug conspiracies (especially those of the moneyed old school: talking about YOU, East India Company!) involve less than 20 entities, and many times the Elite are too lazy to alter their standard fraud patterns, as Martin stresses.

Thus, i've had enough, and I purchased SecretAirlinesSuck.com and FakeWarOnDrugs.com and when i get a little time I am going to put the Drupal CMS on there so everyone can chart classic drug conspiracies as series of nodes to discredit the whole system. Who's with me? (thanx and you guys have a great forum)