CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE, page 3

The Gulfstream Jet was initially reported by the Mexican Press as carrying a huge cargo of more than 6 Tons of Cocaine as well as one ton of pure Heroin but a later press release courtesy of the Mexican Military had it dwindled down to only 4 tons of Cocaine with no Heroin whatsoever. By early October the Mexican press announced a 3rd reduction leaving only 3.7 Tons of cocainefollowed a few days with 3.6 then later by a 5th and final report from the Mexican Authorities that gave the amount as just 3.3 tons of Cocaine. Draw your own conlusions about the missing 3 ton's of cocaine and the ton of heroin that was first reported. Everybody is out to make money on the drug war even the so called good guys if there is such a thing.

Daily Kos

Just goes to show, no matter what, this blow is going to wind-up on our streets, in our neighborhoods and even schools...

Thanks to who ever posted this report, unfortunately these mult-ton incidents have become so common - the other day it was another submarine - it's easy to forget all the connections and possibilities for foul play in the highest places.

Originally posted by SimonSays
Has anyone considered that the title transfer paperwork
for the changing of hands of the planes were backdated
by the CIA to avoid it's own exposure in case something
went wrong?? That sale was very close to the crash time.
It could have been faked after the fact and backdated !!

Considering that the FAA records for N987SA still list DBA as the owner—last I heard, the FAA hadn't received any paperwork from O'Connor and Smith for the transfer—that's possible. On the other hand, they may just not have ever sent it in, because really, after it crashes, what's the point? It's not flying again. At this point it's just speculation either way, and that won't get anywhere.

Originally posted by AcesInTheHole
That email is for contacting the web host that hosts the Donna Blue site, not even a direct contact. Their only testimonial is given by a John Doe. There are conflicting statements about how long they have been doing business. I'd also be very surprised if that phone number was real, maybe anyone who lives in the area could give it a try?

This website looks like a high school project of some sort, not one of a reputable company.

I agree that it doesn't look like a reputable company's website should, however, take in mind that they simply used a Homestead template and didn't edit everything. My guess is they wanted something one and quickly set that up, and then didn't ever finish it. Honestly, if this was an official CIA operation and they had a website to flesh out their shell, it would be a lot better than that. Look at the CIA shells involved in extraordinary rendition, and while they all follow a certain standard, it's very different from DBA. Their executives are often nonexistent, with recently generated social security numbers, they're registered to a legal firm's office, with no official building of their own (whereas DBA has a building, but it's empty), or they're owned by "former" CIA officers.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
DailyKos
Sorry, but its true. They figure out what their readers would like to be the truth and then fabricate evidence for their readers. They have zero interest in facts IMO. Might as well get your news from the Weekly World News. Batboy is cool though.

DailyKos is not the original source on this story. I have not read through their analysis of the event, and I imagine that a lot of their conclusions are not accurate, but the crash did take place, and there are several connections to the U.S. government throughout the history of the aircraft, including the final owners who purchased it just before the crash. Does this mean the CIA controlled the cocaine that was on board? No, not necessarily, but it's an interesting story that has interesting connections, and should be looked into, whever it leads.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
If this is the same plane I heard about in the a couple of months ago, then it's a plane that the CIA no longer used and sold. Coincidentally (or how you may look at it), the buyers of the plane were cocaine smugglers. Government agencies auction of their vehicles and products all the time, including law enforcement cars, computers, and office furniture.

N987SA crashed several months ago, yes. There is also N900SA, the DC9 caught in Mexico in 2006, which the Mexican government says was owned by the same smuggling operation that owned N987SA. (The SA suffix on the N-numbers of both aircraft is coincidental. N900SA is numbered such because it was owned by Sky Way Aircraft, which N987SA never was.) While I suspect that you're correct—the CIA used N987SA while it was under private ownership, and then the owner later sold it to unrelated individuals—recognize also that the CIA often flips aircraft between multiple shell corporations in order to make it look like they're no longer operating the aircraft, when in reality, it's just another of dozens of shells they run. I'm not saying that's what happened, but they have done that in the past with rendition aircraft.

reply to post by goosdawg

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as you say ---everything you can imagine is real-------i worked +34 years for the federal government--------the "fellow workers"-------no friends of mine--assumed that everything and anything that they had access too was their own personal property------trucks/cars/tanks/boats and aircraft----------its mine all mine was the attitude-----for me to continue living------it was best for me to keep my mouth shut-------i tried to alert the military police about the worst of the situations--------but they appeared to be uninterested------what more can you do unless you want to take the law into your own hands and start re-living--------a death wish type scenero making yourself cop/judge/jury/and executioner-----and how long do you think you'd get away with doing that?--------some honest cop would think he had to do his "duty" and end your exactment of deserved justice.

reply to post by DJMessiah

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dj i hope you are right that this aircraft was auctioned off and no part of the then cia operations but i am prepared thru my own experiences to be able to believe anything----have met too many crooks that were either for us or against us.

reply to post by DJMessiah

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dj i hope you are right that this aircraft was auctioned off and no part of the then cia operations but i am prepared thru my own experiences to be able to believe anything----have met too many crooks that were either for us or against us.

reply to post by kattraxx

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That looks like a Daniel Hopsicker article (I vaguely recall reading it), and while Hopsicker has found some factual, interesting information on this subject, he also jumps to a lot of conclusions far too soon and then has to retract them later when it turns out they aren't true. I also have a problem with him leading all his articles with "WORLD EXCLUSIVE" when the information he uses was not found by him, but by people on ATS and other sites, days or weeks before his articles are written. But that's another matter.

My point is mostly that Hopsicker tends to post claims without showing evidence, and sometimes even when there isn't any evidence at all and it's just a suspicion, and there really is no basis for his assumption, but it gets out there and reposted over and over again, and suddenly it's become fact, because anywhere you search, his article comes up, sometimes without sourcing it to him, and people assume that because so many places say something is true, it is, when it never was remotely true to begin with.

So that's just something to be cautious of. He does good work, but don't take anything for fact, and try to confirm everything yourself with the raw data rather than someone's summary and conclusion of that data.

[edit on 14-12-2007 by LoganCale]

I wonder if this aircraft was one of the ones of these 33 planes contracted by the Navy...

www.abovetopsecret.com...
At least 10 U.S. aviation companies were issued classified contracts in 2001 and 2002 by the obscure Navy Engineering Logistics Office for the "occasional airlift of USN (Navy) cargo worldwide," according to Defense Department documents the AP obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

Two of the companies - Richmor Aviation Inc. and Premier Executive Transport Services Inc. - chartered luxury Gulfstreams that flew terror suspects captured in Europe to Egypt, according to U.S. and European media reports. Once there, the men told family members, they were tortured....

The jet belongs to a part-owner of the Boston Red Sox, who told The Boston Globe that the team's logo was covered when the CIA leased the plane.

reply to post by behindthescenes

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If you look on the website in the "about us" section it says they were started in 1995!

reply to post by yahn goodey

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34 years huh. Lets see where at? That is a question that derives from the type of equipment you mentioned, as military people log, chart and tag everything and have to have been told things down to a t, before equip is used and operated. The organizations that do have this equip to use as discretionary are proprietary, to specific tasks, which if you had knowledge of would not fall all the way down the chain to report it to military police, and even if these possible military personnel were using equip and it needed to be reported why would you not go to the specific criminal investigation unit that was contained by that service (which are civilian and independent) even so at that level your life would not be endanger. I am not denying what youve said I am just fishing and it is you that said, in the "about you" you have nothing to hide, that you would not communicate. (except your e-mail) ????

[edit on 15-12-2007 by birchtree]

reply to post by twitchy

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To help you out here there is a little confusion The Navy chartered these jets to operate in war exercises in various phases of training plans for military training and upkeep and does every year, it is not obscure in anyway shape or form
These are seperate events from the transport of so-called detainees and seperate from the navy which has had no budget or direct interest (not in their job title) to transport detainees or enemy prisoners of war. Look higher up the chain and outside the box.

Originally posted by birchtree
reply to post by behindthescenes

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If you look on the website in the "about us" section it says they were started in 1995!

Yes, and the Florida Department of Corporations says they were incorporated in 2007. I would trust official corporation records more than a bad website put together in 10 minutes by someone who clearly cannot properly speak English.

Originally posted by birchtree
reply to post by twitchy

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To help you out here there is a little confusion The Navy chartered these jets to operate in war exercises in various phases of training plans for military training and upkeep and does every year, it is not obscure in anyway shape or form
These are seperate events from the transport of so-called detainees and seperate from the navy which has had no budget or direct interest (not in their job title) to transport detainees or enemy prisoners of war. Look higher up the chain and outside the box.

I don't believe he was suggesting that the Navy use of them was for extraordinary rendition, however, the two corporations mentioned, Richmor Aviation and Premiere Executive Transport, are well known CIA proprietaries. Richmor, I believe, is a legitimate charter corporation which also runs CIA flights, and Premiere is a shell. That is the connection to rendition, not that the Navy is chartering them.

Originally posted by motherofsquirrelkiller
[Talk about phoney??????? The text and sentences on that website are totally messed up like some idiot put them together!!!! Totally amateurish. It looks like one of those so called medical supplement sites claiming cures of diseases .... the old snake-oil salesman!!!! It is totally laughable!

DBA is a corporation founded by two Brazilian nationals. The corporation is set up in the United States so that they can own U.S.-registered aircraft. They are not particularly good English speakers. Is it bad business practice? Yes. Is it proof that they're a dirty company or connected to the U.S. government? Not even remotely.

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I was pointing out what they said on their website. Which I did point out earlier looked squirrely

I was unsure about the Navy suggestion and was clarifying for the massess

and I am with you on the corporations ++

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