CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE

If this is the same plane I heard about in the a couple of months ago, then it's a plane that the CIA no longer used and sold. Coincidentally (or how you may look at it), the buyers of the plane were cocaine smugglers. Government agencies auction of their vehicles and products all the time, including law enforcement cars, computers, and office furniture.

Just goes to show, no matter what, this blow is going to wind-up on our streets, in our neighborhoods and even schools...

Thanks to who ever posted this report, unfortunately these mult-ton incidents have become so common - the other day it was another submarine - it's easy to forget all the connections and possibilities for foul play in the highest places.

Considering that the FAA records for N987SA still list DBA as the owner—last I heard, the FAA hadn't received any paperwork from O'Connor and Smith for the transfer—that's possible. On the other hand, they may just not have ever sent it in, because really, after it crashes, what's the point? It's not flying again. At this point it's just speculation either way, and that won't get anywhere.



I agree that it doesn't look like a reputable company's website should, however, take in mind that they simply used a Homestead template and didn't edit everything. My guess is they wanted something one and quickly set that up, and then didn't ever finish it. Honestly, if this was an official CIA operation and they had a website to flesh out their shell, it would be a lot better than that. Look at the CIA shells involved in extraordinary rendition, and while they all follow a certain standard, it's very different from DBA. Their executives are often nonexistent, with recently generated social security numbers, they're registered to a legal firm's office, with no official building of their own (whereas DBA has a building, but it's empty), or they're owned by "former" CIA officers.



DailyKos is not the original source on this story. I have not read through their analysis of the event, and I imagine that a lot of their conclusions are not accurate, but the crash did take place, and there are several connections to the U.S. government throughout the history of the aircraft, including the final owners who purchased it just before the crash. Does this mean the CIA controlled the cocaine that was on board? No, not necessarily, but it's an interesting story that has interesting connections, and should be looked into, whever it leads.



N987SA crashed several months ago, yes. There is also N900SA, the DC9 caught in Mexico in 2006, which the Mexican government says was owned by the same smuggling operation that owned N987SA. (The SA suffix on the N-numbers of both aircraft is coincidental. N900SA is numbered such because it was owned by Sky Way Aircraft, which N987SA never was.) While I suspect that you're correct—the CIA used N987SA while it was under private ownership, and then the owner later sold it to unrelated individuals—recognize also that the CIA often flips aircraft between multiple shell corporations in order to make it look like they're no longer operating the aircraft, when in reality, it's just another of dozens of shells they run. I'm not saying that's what happened, but they have done that in the past with rendition aircraft.

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as you say ---everything you can imagine is real-------i worked +34 years for the federal government--------the "fellow workers"-------no friends of mine--assumed that everything and anything that they had access too was their own personal property------trucks/cars/tanks/boats and aircraft----------its mine all mine was the attitude-----for me to continue living------it was best for me to keep my mouth shut-------i tried to alert the military police about the worst of the situations--------but they appeared to be uninterested------what more can you do unless you want to take the law into your own hands and start re-living--------a death wish type scenero making yourself cop/judge/jury/and executioner-----and how long do you think you'd get away with doing that?--------some honest cop would think he had to do his "duty" and end your exactment of deserved justice.

This story is definitely a keeper.

Horrible how the MSM hasn't really worked it up.

urgh.

St-Petersburg Clearwater Int'l Airport: The New Mena?

In April of last year 5.5 tons of cocaine were discovered on a DC9 (N900SA) flight which originated in St. Petersburg, flew to Venezuela, to Colombia, and then on to Mexico, where it was busted by ordinary Mexican foot soldiers at a rural airport in Cuidad del Carmen on the Yucatan peninsula.

Then two months ago well over four tons of cocaine—some knowledgeable estimates went as high as six tons—were discovered on a Gulfstream business jet (N987SA) flight in Mexico.

This flight too originated at the St Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport, flew to Colombia, and then on to Mexico, where it crash-landed in a field 45 kilometers outside of the Yucatan capital of Merida.

Having your city's airport host a major player in international drug trafficking would be big news in most cities. But seemingly sleepy St. Petersburg must have a lot more going on than normal burgs, because the news hasn't made it yet--even in the business section!--in the St. Petersburg Times, or been featured in the newsroom of the St. Pete-Clearwater Int'l Airport website.

Kamel Nacif and Jean Succor, prominent Lebanese businessmen in Cancun, are widely reported to be major figures in the dominant drug cartel in the Yucatan whose cocaine was seized on the two American planes.

The two men are also at the heart of a scandal involving a huge child molestation ring which has been providing children as young as five to a clientele of wealthy Mexican and foreign businessmen.

The plot thickens...

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dj i hope you are right that this aircraft was auctioned off and no part of the then cia operations but i am prepared thru my own experiences to be able to believe anything----have met too many crooks that were either for us or against us.

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dj i hope you are right that this aircraft was auctioned off and no part of the then cia operations but i am prepared thru my own experiences to be able to believe anything----have met too many crooks that were either for us or against us.

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That looks like a Daniel Hopsicker article (I vaguely recall reading it), and while Hopsicker has found some factual, interesting information on this subject, he also jumps to a lot of conclusions far too soon and then has to retract them later when it turns out they aren't true. I also have a problem with him leading all his articles with "WORLD EXCLUSIVE" when the information he uses was not found by him, but by people on ATS and other sites, days or weeks before his articles are written. But that's another matter.

My point is mostly that Hopsicker tends to post claims without showing evidence, and sometimes even when there isn't any evidence at all and it's just a suspicion, and there really is no basis for his assumption, but it gets out there and reposted over and over again, and suddenly it's become fact, because anywhere you search, his article comes up, sometimes without sourcing it to him, and people assume that because so many places say something is true, it is, when it never was remotely true to begin with.

So that's just something to be cautious of. He does good work, but don't take anything for fact, and try to confirm everything yourself with the raw data rather than someone's summary and conclusion of that data.

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The CIA is just another government agency that has gotten totally out of hand. They run drugs (which they have always done) torture innocent victims all in the name of the "War on Terror" which is fictitious on its face.

If the CIA wants something they just steal it. For instance Last January, Director of the CIA General Michael Hayden along with his co-conspirators General Michael Wynne, then Secretary of the Air Force, and retired General Charles Metcalf, Director, National Museum of the Air Force, conspired to steal an A-12 Blackbird from the Minnesota National Air Guard Museum to put it up on a stick outside Hayden's office at CIA Headquarters.

That A-12 had been 'loaned' to the Museum by the Air Force 13 years prior and hundreds of thousands of dollars of donations and thousands of hours had gone into restoring the Blackbird to its original, 'right of the Skunkworks assembly line' condition.

Its was a remarkable restoration down to the very last detail. Every single cockpit instrument was original.

It was on display for the public at the Minneapolis Air Guard Museum ramp at Minneapolis Airport.

Hayden, Wynne and Metcalf sent in a team to disassemble the airplane, truck it to Omaha to modify it to mount on a post and drive to it to CIA Headquarters in time for their 60th Anniversary this year.

It was outright theft but the Generals claimed the airplane had only 'been on loan' and it was their right to take it back and give it to Hayden. They knew that they could get away with it because of who they were. Who was going to complain except a bunch of lowly civilians?

So the public ended up paying 3 times. Once for the original airplane production; the second time to restore it through their donations; and the third time as Air Force budget funds (your tax dollars) to disassemble, truck and modify then ship to Langley.

A Bill was introduced in the Senate (S.437) to force the return of the hijacked Blackbird. It ended up and was wastebasketed in the offices of Senator Carl Levin (Chairman, Senate Committee on Armed Services).

There is no honor among thieves, the U.S. government, the C.I.A. and Air Force Generals.

I wonder if this aircraft was one of the ones of these 33 planes contracted by the Navy...

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If you look on the website in the "about us" section it says they were started in 1995!

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34 years huh. Lets see where at? That is a question that derives from the type of equipment you mentioned, as military people log, chart and tag everything and have to have been told things down to a t, before equip is used and operated. The organizations that do have this equip to use as discretionary are proprietary, to specific tasks, which if you had knowledge of would not fall all the way down the chain to report it to military police, and even if these possible military personnel were using equip and it needed to be reported why would you not go to the specific criminal investigation unit that was contained by that service (which are civilian and independent) even so at that level your life would not be endanger. I am not denying what youve said I am just fishing and it is you that said, in the "about you" you have nothing to hide, that you would not communicate. (except your e-mail) ????

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You know I do not often do this sort of thing ha ha. Remember Air America and I do not mean the movie, I mean viet nam/cambodia/laos etc etc drugs/torture/money/civilian aircraft/hidden agenda

There was also a aircraft front including yacht companies/intra coastal waterway/Iran/Contra/weapons/drugs/florida airstrips/central america

You know that website is kind of generic and brief too, the kind of thing only someone who was looking for something specific would look at.......I am just saying 2+2 usually = 4

By the way to some of you claming youve worked for the gov and saying things that dont make sense, Ive been there so keep it real.

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To help you out here there is a little confusion The Navy chartered these jets to operate in war exercises in various phases of training plans for military training and upkeep and does every year, it is not obscure in anyway shape or form
These are seperate events from the transport of so-called detainees and seperate from the navy which has had no budget or direct interest (not in their job title) to transport detainees or enemy prisoners of war. Look higher up the chain and outside the box.

Talk about phoney??????? The text and sentences on that website are totally messed up like some idiot put them together!!!! Totally amateurish. It looks like one of those so called medical supplement sites claiming cures of diseases .... the old snake-oil salesman!!!! It is totally laughable!

I'm sure something isn't right here.

Yes, and the Florida Department of Corporations says they were incorporated in 2007. I would trust official corporation records more than a bad website put together in 10 minutes by someone who clearly cannot properly speak English.



I don't believe he was suggesting that the Navy use of them was for extraordinary rendition, however, the two corporations mentioned, Richmor Aviation and Premiere Executive Transport, are well known CIA proprietaries. Richmor, I believe, is a legitimate charter corporation which also runs CIA flights, and Premiere is a shell. That is the connection to rendition, not that the Navy is chartering them.



DBA is a corporation founded by two Brazilian nationals. The corporation is set up in the United States so that they can own U.S.-registered aircraft. They are not particularly good English speakers. Is it bad business practice? Yes. Is it proof that they're a dirty company or connected to the U.S. government? Not even remotely.

I'd like to think that a few members of the Cocaine Importers Association (CIA) would be really missing the wasted tons of product.

However, I'm sure that losing that many tons wouldn't be anything more than a temporary, minor price hike on the streets to cover the loss.

Do you really think that "found" cocaine hasn't been re-distibuted??? I would assume so ...


He surely is!!!!! I have one of the original "poster" fold outs of him ... that was a great publication for laughs!

I apologise that my posts aren't too serious tonight. I especially enjoyed those pictures of the crash site as they make it appear as there is a GIANT of an officer watching the bags of coke ... and it made me crack up (no pun intended)

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I was pointing out what they said on their website. Which I did point out earlier looked squirrely

I was unsure about the Navy suggestion and was clarifying for the massess

and I am with you on the corporations ++