CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE, page 2
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reply posted on 14-12-2007 @ 11:28 AM by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by behindthescenes
I find the owner rather interesting -- Donna Blue Aircraft out of Broward Florida. Must do some checking on that outfit.


According to
NacroNews, Donna Blue wasn't the owners of the aircraft. It was sold to Greg Smith just a few days before it crashed in Mexico. It is interesting to note that Donna Blue bought the aircraft in August.


reply posted on 14-12-2007 @ 11:35 AM by behindthescenes
reply to post by SaviorComplex



Yeah, I was just going to bring up that NarcoNews story. Seems there is much more evidence linking this affair to the FBI and DIA more than the CIA. Although they must share assets, because the plane for a fact was linked to trips to Guantanamo Bay, and that's pretty much CIA only.


reply posted on 14-12-2007 @ 12:07 PM by eyewitness86
If the people only knew how evil and dirty the CIA and other intel black ops guys really are: Cold blooded killers and narcotics traffikers out to make money to support the underhanded regime changes and assassinations of third world leaders we do not care for..typical.

Think about it: Over the last 35 years of the ' War on Drugs ' the cost has decreased for the hard drugs ( cocaine and heroin ), while incresing for the soft drugs: Cannabis and tobacco..alcohol stayed about the same.The purity has INCREASED, and the market is flooded..anything desired is available in every town and city. The War is a joke. It was never meant to be won, only sustained forever.

The people who set policy know the truth: The people will insist on substances as long as humankind exists. they always have and always will. If you try and deny them what they want ( Prohibition ) they will simply buy it from the black market, but they will not be denied. The intel guys will NEVER allow anyone but THEM to make the really big money from this business: look at who they chase and arrest: The guys who are making the most money. Noriega in Panama wanted more than his share and got greedy, and Bush Sr. went and invaded a nation to get him out of the business! Too much money to let the common crooks get it all: They arrest all the big fish that are in competition with them, and let the ones who cooperate do their thing..as long as the Feds get their cut, all is well.

It is a scam: too stupid and counter-productive to try and claim as sensible and working policy, just a money making racket that never wins and all they have to do is make false claims and tell lies and they get away with it every time. The politicians, all cowards and weaklings anyway, shiver anytime some foe accuses them of being ' soft on drugs ' or ' soft on crime '..that is sure to get draconian laws passed and stifle intelligent debate. The Mena Arkansas case is a classic example: The Feds were flying in vast amounts of cocaine and weapons for the Contra armies.

There is vast evidence, totally ignored by the authorities, that proves a case of massive criminality reaching from Clinton to Ollie North to the CIA chief that was drowned before he could talk..but NO media will touch the real issues today. Too much control. It is a dirty game: The intel guys allow drugs to be imported to this nation to fuel the demand from the people: Then, the profits are used to promote often illegal and secret programs that are no doubt highly damaging to our image and nation..and the little guys, on the street, the users, they get popped left and right and support a trillion dollar system of ' justice '!! The nerve! but it works!!

They thrown the petty dealers and users in prison and they use them to work the prison industries, which compete with the private sector for business against all common sense..and then when they get out of prison, having gotten no rehab or help, they go right back and do it again!! A perpetual system of virtual slave labor, mostly black and brown people doing the most hard time, that can be counted on as a steady source of labor..great for them. The public is so dumbed down that they don't think beyond their needs anyway so they never care about these things. On and on it goes.

If they really wanted to eliminate heroin use, for example, they could do it: Buy the entire crop from all farmers possible. burn the majority and use the rest for legitimate pharmaceuticals, thus helping alleviate pain and suffering for the dying and ill, while reducing the amount available on the streets by a huge amount. But is they did that, an important source of cash would disappear. the Taliban had all buty eliminated the poppy fields due to Muslim laws..but we would have none of that!! We went into Afghanistan and before you know it, we are not told that we are seeing the bigest harvest in history!! With all the troops and all the planes and all the armies, they still will not stop the drugs because they make money on them..simple. Addiction means a steady market for them.

There are no good guys any more..the upper levels are filled with greedy and immoral players who care nothing about the people or the future, only in keeping things as they are so the money can flow. Heroin could be gotten rid of in ten years, if they wated to. But they do not want to. It is a sick world and a sick system, and we are seeing what happens when common sense is ignored and money rules the issues.


reply posted on 14-12-2007 @ 12:32 PM by behindthescenes
Here are some images of our aircraft in question.

There are three pictures of the plane: Photos of it at LAX, Miami and Rio di Janero.


reply posted on 14-12-2007 @ 03:15 PM by LoganCale
Originally posted by behindthescenes
You could buy the flight records for the plane based on the tail number, but I don't have the capital for that right now.


This website has run the plane's flight logs and it does show Guantanamo Bay destinations.


I've wanted to purchase the FlightAware records for N987SA and N900SA for some time, but, as you said, they're quite expensive, and while I'm not unwilling to spend money to research subjects that interest me, this is currently a bit over what I'm willing to pay. The WMR timeline is potentially interesting, but is unfortunately rather difficult to confirm.

At any rate, it's entirely possible for an aircraft to have previously been covertly used by the U.S. government and then sold after a period of time to a completely unrelated party. Due to that, I personally am more interested in looking at the two individuals who purchased it shortly before its final flight, as one would presume they would be the most connected to the drugs.



reply posted on 14-12-2007 @ 03:20 PM by behindthescenes
Here's something else that raised my eyebrows.

Apparently the U.S. has been "cracking down" on the Mexican drug cartel, including smuggling,
according to this article.

Unfortunately, I don't have an account, so I can't read the whole thing. I will champion anyone able to get ahold of this story in its entirety. Moneylaundering.com is a reputable investigative journalism site. But they're expensive.

I guess the point is -- was Clyde and his partner set up to take a fall? According to the various accounts, it seems like the Mexican government was tipped off about what they were shipping in that flight.

[edit on 12/14/2007 by behindthescenes]


reply posted on 14-12-2007 @ 03:43 PM by OBE1
Dillon, Read and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits


4. Narco Dollars in the 1980s - Mena, Arkansas

During the 1980s, a sometime government agent named Barry Seal led a smuggling operation that delivered a significant amount of narcotics estimated to be as much as $5 billion from Latin America through an airport in Mena, Arkansas. According to investigative reporters and researchers knowledgeable about Mena, the operation had protection from the highest levels of the National Security Council then under the leadership of George H.W. Bush and staffed by Oliver North. According to investigative reporter and author Daniel Hopsicker, when Seal was assassinated in February 1986, Vice President George H.W. Bush’s personal phone number was found in his wallet. Through Hopsicker's efforts, Barry Seal’s records also divulged a little known piece of smuggling trivia — RJR executives in Central America had helped Seal smuggle contraband into the U.S. in the 1970s.
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Catherine Austin Fitts, no stranger to governmental harassment, has done extensive research on CIA involvement in drug running, black budgets, US corporate involvement in money laundering (RJR Nabisco)...and the work of investigative reporter Gary Webb:

"Gary Webb died in 2004, another casualty of an intelligence, enforcement and media effort that keeps global narcotics trafficking and the War on Drugs humming along by reducing to poverty and making life miserable for those who tell the truth."


Great thread topic...sensitive for sure.


Dillon, Read and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits

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