Originally posted by behindthescenes
Although they must share assets, because the plane for a fact was linked to trips to Guantanamo Bay, and that's pretty much CIA only.

Could you provide evidence to the claim that N987SA "for a fact" flew to Guantanamo Bay? Because that claim is often repeated, but so far the only evidence I've seen is a website with a list of aircraft that contained that N-number. Surely if it went to Guantanamo Bay, and someone was able to find out that it went to Guantanamo Bay, there would be more than just that one list, and there would be dates of its arrival, as well as where it came from and where it went to after.

If the people only knew how evil and dirty the CIA and other intel black ops guys really are: Cold blooded killers and narcotics traffikers out to make money to support the underhanded regime changes and assassinations of third world leaders we do not care for..typical.

Think about it: Over the last 35 years of the ' War on Drugs ' the cost has decreased for the hard drugs ( cocaine and heroin ), while incresing for the soft drugs: Cannabis and tobacco..alcohol stayed about the same.The purity has INCREASED, and the market is flooded..anything desired is available in every town and city. The War is a joke. It was never meant to be won, only sustained forever.

The people who set policy know the truth: The people will insist on substances as long as humankind exists. they always have and always will. If you try and deny them what they want ( Prohibition ) they will simply buy it from the black market, but they will not be denied. The intel guys will NEVER allow anyone but THEM to make the really big money from this business: look at who they chase and arrest: The guys who are making the most money. Noriega in Panama wanted more than his share and got greedy, and Bush Sr. went and invaded a nation to get him out of the business! Too much money to let the common crooks get it all: They arrest all the big fish that are in competition with them, and let the ones who cooperate do their thing..as long as the Feds get their cut, all is well.

It is a scam: too stupid and counter-productive to try and claim as sensible and working policy, just a money making racket that never wins and all they have to do is make false claims and tell lies and they get away with it every time. The politicians, all cowards and weaklings anyway, shiver anytime some foe accuses them of being ' soft on drugs ' or ' soft on crime '..that is sure to get draconian laws passed and stifle intelligent debate. The Mena Arkansas case is a classic example: The Feds were flying in vast amounts of cocaine and weapons for the Contra armies.

There is vast evidence, totally ignored by the authorities, that proves a case of massive criminality reaching from Clinton to Ollie North to the CIA chief that was drowned before he could talk..but NO media will touch the real issues today. Too much control. It is a dirty game: The intel guys allow drugs to be imported to this nation to fuel the demand from the people: Then, the profits are used to promote often illegal and secret programs that are no doubt highly damaging to our image and nation..and the little guys, on the street, the users, they get popped left and right and support a trillion dollar system of ' justice '!! The nerve! but it works!!

They thrown the petty dealers and users in prison and they use them to work the prison industries, which compete with the private sector for business against all common sense..and then when they get out of prison, having gotten no rehab or help, they go right back and do it again!! A perpetual system of virtual slave labor, mostly black and brown people doing the most hard time, that can be counted on as a steady source of labor..great for them. The public is so dumbed down that they don't think beyond their needs anyway so they never care about these things. On and on it goes.

If they really wanted to eliminate heroin use, for example, they could do it: Buy the entire crop from all farmers possible. burn the majority and use the rest for legitimate pharmaceuticals, thus helping alleviate pain and suffering for the dying and ill, while reducing the amount available on the streets by a huge amount. But is they did that, an important source of cash would disappear. the Taliban had all buty eliminated the poppy fields due to Muslim laws..but we would have none of that!! We went into Afghanistan and before you know it, we are not told that we are seeing the bigest harvest in history!! With all the troops and all the planes and all the armies, they still will not stop the drugs because they make money on them..simple. Addiction means a steady market for them.

There are no good guys any more..the upper levels are filled with greedy and immoral players who care nothing about the people or the future, only in keeping things as they are so the money can flow. Heroin could be gotten rid of in ten years, if they wated to. But they do not want to. It is a sick world and a sick system, and we are seeing what happens when common sense is ignored and money rules the issues.

Im sorry but when you step back for a moment (especially the way the OP worded the title) you just have to laugh.


I remember this story a while back, its just the picture I get in my head of someone stumbling on a jet crash one day and I could just see them saying........oh look a CIA jet.............oh look 4 Tons of COCAINE!

I know, I know - Its really not a laughing matter. An extremely powerful and corrupt government agency that IS above the law, getting away with the most horrible thing that you can think of, all of the time........and something like this happens, sometimes you just have to stand back and see how insane the our crude reality is, and how pathetic they are.

Originally posted by housegroove23

Im sorry but when you step back for a moment (especially the way the OP worded the title) you just have to laugh.


I remember this story a while back, its just the picture I get in my head of someone stumbling on a jet crash one day and I could just see them saying........oh look a CIA jet.............oh look 4 Tons of COCAINE!

I know, I know - Its really not a laughing matter. An extremely powerful and corrupt government agency that IS above the law, getting away with the most horrible thing that you can think of, all of the time........and something like this happens, sometimes you just have to stand back and see how insane the our crude reality is, and how pathetic they are.

Yeah, the OP title is kinda funny. Drums up images of Iron Maidens and S&M Strap-and-whip devises while mounds of powdery white coke stain and dust velvet-covered furniture and hand mirrors.

"December 13, 2004 1400 PDT (FTW) - Gary Webb, 49, the Pulitzer Prize winning reporter from the San Jose Mercury News made America hold its breath in 1996 when he showed us proof of direct CIA involvement in drug trafficking. For a few months many of us had hope.

He reportedly died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head two days ago. His body was discovered at 8:20 AM Saturday as movers reportedly found a note on the door of his residence asking them not to enter but to call for paramedics."

Make that TWO gunshot wounds to the head.

I lived in San Jose at the time and read Webb's series in the San Jose Mercury News. MSM crucified him. Next thing you know, death by suicide... two gunshot wounds to the head. His entire series is well worth reading, as is a book titled "Into the Buzzsaw: The Myth of a Free Press", a compilation of news reports that not only never made it into MSM, but caused the creators years of grief and fear and unemployment, and in Webb's case, death.

You have a right to free speech... until too many people start listening to you, apparently.

We all know that it was the CIA who introduced crack cocaine to the American ghetto to stop black people from forming coherent and organized bonds that could lead to social uprising of the oppressed, now we have just a little more proof.

That amateur site has very poor spelling and grammar as well:

we are in aircraft market for over 20 years, we buy, sell, any type or kind of airplane. we also help companys doing consulting. today we are proud to attend Europe, South, Norrth and Central America. we have available financing for all customer that fullfill the bank requirements.

I agree..it IS funny. How these drugs get into the country. I'm almost positive it is to funt their secret prisons. Ones the use to torture Americans and so "terrorists". Why ARE they so secretive about these prisons? Theres more to these prisons than they let on. What will be their purpose of these prisons in the future?

[edit on 14-12-2007 by Master_Wii]

I have a stupid question

Has anyone considered that the title transfer paperwork
for the changing of hands of the planes were backdated
by the CIA to avoid it's own exposure in case something
went wrong?? That sale was very close to the crash time.
It could have been faked after the fact and backdated !!

Originally posted by quintar
That amateur site has very poor spelling and grammar as well

I see that, and I'm not entirely convinced it's even a real company. I mean, look at their contact info!

3375 Edison Way

Menlo Park, CA 94025

Phone: (415) 555-5555

Fax: (415) 555-5515

info@homestead.com

That email is for contacting the web host that hosts the Donna Blue site, not even a direct contact. Their only testimonial is given by a John Doe. There are conflicting statements about how long they have been doing business. I'd also be very surprised if that phone number was real, maybe anyone who lives in the area could give it a try?

This website looks like a high school project of some sort, not one of a reputable company.

DailyKos
Sorry, but its true. They figure out what their readers would like to be the truth and then fabricate evidence for their readers. They have zero interest in facts IMO. Might as well get your news from the Weekly World News. Batboy is cool though.