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Urantia- what do you think?

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posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 04:37 PM
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Okay so can you explain how then the Reptiles had sex with humans and made babies, which became Nephilim?




posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn B.
Okay so can you explain how then the Reptiles had sex with humans and made babies, which became Nephilim?


Nope, not really. Maybe by "sex" they were talking "mate" in context, to create through a being. Perhaps it might be as simple as copulation, or it might be genetic manipulation. It doesn't say exactly, but to search out such a understanding is kinda getting off point.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 04:50 PM
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is it to late to pologize?(8) sorry for saying retarded stuff earlier i am new here but would any body want to be my mentor?

sorry if this is in the wrong place but i cant u2u yet

[edit on 01/27/1990 by pootershooter]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 05:47 PM
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I'm glad to see we finally have a discussion of The Urantia Book going here, but frankly, there can't be a rational discussion of it unless people have read it and no one is going to be able to explain it here, especially when you factor in individual interpretations.

Taking sentences, paragraphs, or even complete papers out of the context of the whole book only leads to more confusion.

The Urantia Book must be read in it's entirety, though not necessarily linearly to be understood and in the end it is understandable and ultimately stupefyingly simple in its message.

In fact, it is so simple that one comes to realize just how out of touch all extant religions are and why, when it's all said and done, they are unnecessary--inevitable, perhaps, but unnecessary.

But, The Urantia Book calls for unity, not uniformity, so while we may not have an actual need for the various religions, they are not themselves the real impediment to spiritual commonality.

The real impediment is our spiritual and intellectual rigidity.

[edit on 2007/12/15 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 06:04 PM
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Yes, but in that context it should be also understood that the Urantia Book isn't up for discussion, it's to stand "on it's own merrit" to each one of us on the "journey".

Jonny and his relationship to the father of fathers
Billy and his relationship to the father of farthers
Tracy and her relationship to the father of fathers
Stacy...
Tony...
YOU...
ME...
Her...
Him...



[edit on 15-12-2007 by Incarnated]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Incarnated
Then you reject the book because that's what you wanted to do. As I believe in the energy theory and I've seen it in the book.

You see what you want to see and you lack seeing what you are looking for not to be there, don't let your eyes play tricks on your soul.


Uhm, no.

I reject the book because it doesn't describe the Universe as it actually is, and instead presents a misunderstood description that uses current popular mainstream cosmological views, which are wrong.

I'm not letting my eyes play tricks; I'm using my brain.

What do you mean by energy theory?



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by FremenBlueEyes
Stormdancer777

actually after reading that i really don't see any corolation between sadler, the founder of the Uorg, and eugenics... kind of a stretch. but nice job anyway...


Hi eyes,
it is there, you just have to read the whole book, I did a vast amount of research on the UB, and I am not wanting to mislead anyone just share what I found out.

I really don't think there was a conspiracy by the UB writers to be racist, it is just the mind set of that time in history.

During the turn of the century there was a lot of dabbling in the occult and mysticism, if the UB was channeled, can you imagine?

That is a huge amount of channeling.

If I can find time to post what I have found I will get back with ya soon.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:17 PM
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Very intetresting thread.

I sent the url for this thread to my best friend, as she has been into Urantia for a long time. I'm hoping she will read it and add her knowledge to it.

However, it will be awhile before she can look at it as her electric was lost during the midwest ice storm and she's been told it could take 5 days, 7 days, or maybe even until after Christmas before it can be restored.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:19 PM
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Been awhile since I visited ATS but when I noticed this mentioned over in APFN I had to check it out. Been reading the U.B. for years. My intro to the book was
in college where I was a Chemistry major. Saw it on a table next to me while I was studying in a donut shop. Saw the paper on antigravity properties of the calcium ion and felt that I'd shortly have it in the trash. I was surprised that it was a laymans quantum mechanical explanation of electron excitation in the calcium ion. Also it struck me that they were really putting their balls on the table. A missile could easily be launched with a payload of an easily ionizable compound labelled with a radioactive Ca isomer and simply trace the direction of the cloud after disbursement. I have thrown every rock at in my arsenal only to watch them turn into sand. It is undoubtedly exactly what it claims to be, a revelation! Moreover, the timing is incredible. Just as the New World O_javascript:icon('
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posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:35 PM
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OK, umm lets see if we can find out what really happened?

I consider myself a mystic, so it is not that I am against mysticism, and it seems to me that the UB is pretty much harmless at this stage in the game.

A History of The Urantia Papers
www.freeurantia.org...

I like this,73 Important Urantia Book Definitions
www.truthbook.com...

www.truthbook.com...

This was in the list,



Eugenics is the study of improving the human race by selective reproduction, that is, encouraging the multiplication of the higher strains of all races, while limiting the reproduction of the lower types. It comes from the Greek eu, meaning good, and genos, meaning race.



I am not sure what they consider the lower types.

I am just picking a few that bring a smile to my face,




Mansion Worlds are the first places we go after departing this life. They consist of the seven small satellites circling the first of the seven transition worlds orbiting Jerusem, our system capital. We are resurrected on the first Mansion World, known as Mansonia Number One.


Hee hee Mansonia





Salvington is the immense and marvelous capital of our local universe of Nebadon and the personal headquarters of Christ Michael. It is surrounded by ten clusters of architectural worlds, each containing 49 spheres. We will visit each of these 490 satellites before we attain the presence of Michael on Salvington, from whence we depart as first stage spirit beings on our continuing long ascent to Paradise.


Michael on Salvington





Spornagia are a group of physical creatures devoted to the care and culture of the material phases of the headquarters worlds, from Jerusem to Salvington. "Spornagia are neither spirits nor persons; they are an animal order of existence, but if you could see them, you would agree that they seem to be perfect animals."


eugenics 82:6sec(919;7),. See also genetics; handicaps; races
curse of deteriorated, antisocial, feeble-minded, and outcast specimens 70:9.4(794;2), 82:6.4-7(920;2)
urantiabook.org...




P794:9, 70:9.4 What may be regarded as right in one age may not be so regarded in another. The survival of large numbers of defectives and degenerates is not because they have any natural right thus to encumber twentieth-century civilization, but simply because the society of the age, the mores, thus decrees.


Not sure who the defectives are, who haven't natural right thus to encumber twentieth-century civilization




P794:11, 70:9.6 The weak and the inferior have always contended for equal rights; they have always insisted that the state compel the strong and superior to supply their wants and otherwise make good those deficiencies which all too often are the natural result of their own indifference and indolence.





P592:4, 52:2.10 One of the great achievements of the age of the prince is this restriction of the multiplication of mentally defective and socially unfit individuals. Long before the times of the arrival of the second Sons, the Adams, most worlds seriously address themselves to the tasks of race purification, something which the Urantia peoples have not even yet seriously undertaken.


Did you notice the race purification thingy?

urantiabook.org...




[edit on 093131p://bSaturday2007 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:47 PM
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P592:5, 52:2.11 This problem of race improvement is not such an extensive undertaking when it is attacked at this early date in human evolution. The preceding period of tribal struggles and rugged competition in race survival has weeded out most of the abnormal and defective strains. An idiot does not have much chance of survival in a primitive and warring tribal social organization. It is the false sentiment of your partially perfected civilizations that fosters, protects, and perpetuates the hopelessly defective strains of evolutionary human stocks.

urantiabook.org...




P892:3, 80:3.9 These changes, while resulting in cultural advances, produced certain biologic retrogressions. During the previous hunting era the superior tribes had intermarried with the higher types of war captives and had unvaryingly destroyed those whom they deemed inferior. But as they commenced to establish settlements and engage in agriculture and commerce, they began to save many of the mediocre captives as slaves. And it was the progeny of these slaves that subsequently so greatly deteriorated the whole Cro-Magnon type. This retrogression of culture continued until it received a fresh impetus from the east when the final and en masse invasion of the Mesopotamians swept over Europe, quickly absorbing the Cro-Magnon type and culture and initiating the civilization of the white races.





Hybridization augments vigor and increases fertility. Race mixtures of the average or superior strata of various peoples greatly increase creative potential, as is shown in the present population of the United States of North America. When such matings take place between the lower or inferior strata, creativity is diminished, as is shown by the present-day peoples of southern India.


Southern India?




P920:5, 82:6.7 As long as present-day races are so overloaded with inferior and degenerate strains, race intermingling on a large scale would be most detrimental,





P803:8, 71:3.5 No society has progressed very far when it permits idleness or tolerates poverty. But poverty and dependence can never be eliminated if the defective and degenerate stocks are freely supported and permitted to reproduce without restraint.

urantiabook.org...

alrighty then




P920:1, 82:6.3 Present-day prejudice against " half-castes," "hybrids," and " mongrels" arises because modern racial crossbreeding is, for the greater part, between the grossly inferior strains of the races concerned. You also get unsatisfactory offspring when the degenerate strains of the same race intermarry.

urantiabook.org...




difficulty of executing such a radical program on Urantia consists in the absence of competent judges to pass upon the biologic fitness or unfitness of the individuals of your world races. Notwithstanding this obstacle, it seems that you ought to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshiping of your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks.


I guess that means mee, har har,




P779:5, 69:8.6 Slavery was an indispensable link in the chain of human civilization. It was the bridge over which society passed from chaos and indolence to order and civilized activities; it compelled backward and lazy peoples to work and thus provide wealth and leisure for the social advancement of their superiors.


www.urantiabook.org...


[edit on 103131p://bSaturday2007 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:01 PM
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I doubt this will work, seriously, folks,!

urantiabook.org...



P495:1, 43:8.12 We have portrayed Edentia socialization as an association of a morontia mortal with a univitatia family group consisting of ten intellectually dissimilar individuals concomitant with a similar association with ten fellow morontians. But on the first seven major worlds only one ascending mortal lives with ten univitatia. On the second group of seven major worlds two mortals abide with each native group of ten, and so on up until, on the last group of seven major spheres, ten morontia beings are domiciled with ten univitatia. As you learn how better to socialize with the univitatia, you will practice such improved ethics in your relations with your fellow morontia progressors.


morontians, hmmm, morontians ?

SCIENCE ERRORS IN THE URANTIA BOOK

PART II: CURSE OF THE DUMMY

(Inexcusable Scientific Errors in The Urantia Book)



“The modern age will refuse to accept a religion which is inconsistent with facts . . . .”

(The Urantia Book, 195:9.5)
ubhoax.org...



SCIENCE ERRORS IN THE URANTIA BOOK

PART III: ADVENTURES IN FANTASYLAND

(Scientific Errors that Compromise the Historical Account and/or the Religious Backdrop presented in The Urantia Book)



“We full well know that . . . the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come . . . .”

(The Urantia Book, 101:4.2)
www.ubhoax.org...

[edit on 103131p://bSaturday2007 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:16 PM
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Thats dumb the most creative people are people society would deem idle and anti-social.

I was gonna read this, but now I'll pass. Thanks for pointing out how racist and crazy it is.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:32 PM
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I wanted to jump on the bandwagon... THANK YOU SO MUCH!

I have yet to read too far into this book as after about 10 pages of it my Mind starts to shut down and think of playboy bunnies frolicking in a pool of Jello...

***pictures the bunny outfits covered in jello
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now that I know it is classified as Cult belief for a good reason (racism, race purification... basically Nationalized Socialism... [hrm... same era too...]) Maybe this dude was channeling the spirit of Hitler and Himmler.

Either way... good to know I don't have to waste any more time reading (hurting my brain) this rubbish.


woot... more free time to do something else wasteful!



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:43 PM
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YOU "Did you notice the race purification thingy?"

yes, but that's only shocking to you because of your negitive perceptions of the term useage. You need try understand the whole book rather then search out things that you want to project your misunderstanding of the text compleat against as if it is the text that's sudgesting the negtives YOU ARE PERCIEVING IT SAYS.

If you looked you'd see the "race" is the human race, and that the human race was set up all over the world.

As "one race" race purification then truns to something more then one perceptual race over another, urantia speaks against such pratices, and thus race purification then turns into reaching out to each and helping a brother up.

That makes me sick the way YOU twist those words. YOU should be ashamed of yourself!



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by coven
now that I know it is classified as Cult belief for a good reason (racism, race purification... basically Nationalized Socialism... [hrm... same era too...]) Maybe this dude was channeling the spirit of Hitler and Himmler.


None of this is true.

Some passages taken out of context do sound racist, but they are not.

National Socialism has no place in the book.

The race purification that The Urantia Book speaks of is the alleged eventual mixture of all the races into one human race that is of a higher evolution.

Do you see how taking portions of the book out of context can distort meaning.

No one has to read it, but avoiding it because some choose to vilify the book on the basis of incomplete understanding or even outright malice are shortchanging themselves.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:47 PM
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Sick and Confused minds are weak and unworthy and would mostlikely find the info in the Urantia book useless at any rate.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:49 PM
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Dagnabbit... So your saying I still have to read the 2000 page book to get the jist of it???

As a slightly educated person I should have known better than to "jump on the band wagon" BUTTTTT.... I really Don't want to read the whole thing... Seriously... I don't want to sound dumb... but after half a chapter... My brain starts humming...

Can somebody who has read the entire book go back and make us an 'idiots guide to Urantia'?

pretty please!



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:50 PM
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I know that, and you know that. I also believe anyone clear minded enough not to be deluted by the trickings of Caligastia know that.

Their blindness is self imposed.

At best they are just being blind because they have their own agendias in mind, and if not that they are only lost in the agendia of another named once already.



posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 10:51 PM
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I would request that you specify who you are calling Sick and confused.

I believe the mods will to when they get in here for that comment.

Keep it civil please.

Coven



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