Hey all
I was just wondering what everyone thought about 2012. I have been reading into some theories on 2012 and there are some that are feasible, some that aren't. I wanted to hear about what some of you guys and gals had to say about it, whether you believes the poles are going to shift, Nibiru, comet/asteroid, or just another Y2K.
Look forward to hearing from you
Happy Holidays

2012: Abusing the new-age-movement for more end-times hype and the marketing of several inane products and obnoxious gurus.

Giving the new-age-movement a bad name.

I hope your right. I honestly hope its just going to come and go like every other day, but some theories hold some water, cant help but think

I am totally convinced that 2012 will happen...right after 2010 and 2011.

This is not a one line post!

Originally posted by midnightrider07
I hope your right. I honestly hope its just going to come and go like every other day, but some theories hold some water, cant help but think

well I wont be holding my water until 2012

Ill be drinking my chlorine, fluorine, lead, and brita-filtered water till then as well. Something catastrophic happens, we will all be on the same boat err planet, so yipee

It will happen 1 of 2 ways.

First way:

12/21/2012- Civilization as we know it fails.
04/01/2013- I become a great and powerful feudal lord.
04/02/2013- My peasants start to despise me.
04/03/2013 I am assassinated and a democracy is set up to replace me.

Second way:

Nothing happens and the world keeps going.

I think it's going to uneventfully pass into history just like every other uninspired bit of hype. Nostradamus' 1999 prophecy, The Y2K fiasco, the end of the world in both the years 500 and 1000 A.D., etc.

Ashley, being christian (assuming thats what the cross means), isn't it true that in the bible, someone says that no one (including Christ) knows when the world is going to end?

You can scoff but you can't hide. My accumulated information on this subject (which could be subtitled, All Curves Lead to December
'12) include:

First quote:
Technology, population, speed of travel, food and materials production,
communications capabilities, computing power, the decrease in computer
size, amount of information known to humanity, and a gamut of other things,
are all increasing at an accelerating rate. That is, they are increasing,
and the rate at which they are increasing is increasing.

Some mathematicians plotted the asymptotic graphs of all of humanity's
technological developments and projected them out to the point where they
all, relatively simultaneously, hit infinity. The day that they arrived at
is December 21st, 2012. One projected date of "The Singularity." That's the
day that some say is when everything as we know it will...change. Drastically.

Now I realize that this is a mathematical model, and that things never seem
to happen on time, but as a good thumbnail reference point, it makes a
convenient time to aim for. There are other models, other calculations, and
other dates. The idea is more important than the specific date, IMO.

[An interesting aside: I've heard that the ancient Mayan calendar was
calculated forward but ends on...you guessed it: Dec. 21st, 2012. I've also
heard that the scientists aren't quite sure _why_ that is... :-) ]

Essentially, if we take a look at some of the really species-changing
events in our history, we see 3 really MAJOR developments that changed the
entire course of human history. 1) The Agricultural Revolution. 2) The
Industrial Revolution. 3) The Information Revolution.

30,000 years ago, we learned how to farm. 350 years ago, we learned how to mass-produce machines. 30-40 years ago, we learned how to build computers.
As you can see, the _rate_ of change is increasing, as is the ability
afforded by the change. With computers, we have the ability to build more
efficient things, fly planes and spaceships, educate more people, etc. Each
of these enabling technologies will build further development, and at a
faster rate.

According to the mathematical model, we should see approximately *61* more of these species-changing developments before 12/21/2012! All of the same magnitude as the three noted above! Again, it's only a model, but they
predict 18 of those changes on the last day, and 13 of _those_ to happen in
the last FRACTION OF A SECOND, as things accelerate towards that infinity
point.

Other quotes:

The Mayan prophecies speak to us of the changes towards the fifth Ajaw
(fifth sun), on the famous date of December 21, 2012. This date begins the
[next] period of 5,200 years. This cycle is of wisdom, harmony, peace,
love, of consciousness and the return of the natural order. It is not the
end of the world as many from outside of the Mayan tradition have
misinterpreted it to be.

****

"The fifth cycle (Ajaw/sun) will be a fusion of both feminine and masculine
energies."
"This fifth Ajaw/sun comes with the power of transmutation which in reality
marks the beginning of changes in the way we see and live life, focusing
more on harmony, the key word for existence in this reality."

****

At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun
rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the
ecliptic.

Charlie Green
Waiting for The Singularity in Texas Creek

I believe that on 2012 women will start wearing tinfoil thongs to show their committed to recycling. Actually there is evidence that the Mayans only got so far in their calender updates. It had to end somewhere and when the 7 year drought hit them in the 14th century that's just as far as they could go with their leisure time calender speculation activities. They had to relocate to survive and abandon their stone stair pyramid fetish. There is not going to be any great catastrophe on 2012 other than another stolen US election, millions dying of starvation, bad TV made worse by a writer's strike, oil barons ruining the planet and a lack of creativity in the Energy Department all the way to the rock and roll scene. Oh wait this is all happening in 2008! This reminds me of when Sean David Morton is on Coasttocoast he always makes these statements about how it's so virtuous that he and his disciples get wealthy now because when catastrophe hits and it all collapses then he and his followers will begin helping others. Are you kidding me, Sean??? There's people starving to death all over the world right now. Last week I delivered blankets to the local homeless shelter and it looked like the concert at Woodstock. There were so many people trying to get out of the cold it was like nothing I've ever seen before. All ages too. Sean David Morton always tries to get credibility by saying he was at a Buddhist monastery but if he knew anything about enlightened compassion he'd wake up and help people who are in need right NOW instead of running around trying to famous with his self-promoting mediocrity.

Ashley: Right on, used to be more religious than i am now, know about the tribulation and the reign of Christ, guess i was thinking more on the lines of revelation, the angles and the plagues and lake of fire etc. Spot on

Oldbogus: i understand what your saying, but like all mathematical models, you can only estimate given certain information. realistically, it makes sense to me. I can see us coming to a new sense of understanding and societal coexistance, but if this was so, what would be the point of living? not to sound bleak, but if everything was perfect, what would we be?

I am sure alot of things will happen on this year.

I do not think a great god will come from the sky, take away all the evil people and make everyone feel high...(rip bob)

I would like some great force to cure our earth from human corruption, But I will just live it up till then....but im not sweating it. it was one thing about the mayans....but after people heard about it they just started shooting off at the mouth with every possible crazy thing that could happen on this year...

So whatever says I...

If something happens it happens

It will rain quite hard in 2012.

There will also be a lot of sunshine.

In certain places, it will snow.

And in the desert, there will be sandstorms.