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reply posted on 13-12-2007 @ 11:41 AM by Zizek
This concept that that man is trying to allow to perpetuate is a unified hatred of both the current administration and the efforts to preempt terrorist activity. What they don't seem to comprehend is the possible ramifications for their activity, in opposing the main forms of stopping terrorists either prior to planning, or during the planning of a potential threat to the United States.

It's not at all about terrorists, the War in Iraq/Afghanistan or genuine displeasure at the strategy of preemption. It's about a dislike of the President and his political party.

What we need to come to terms with is the very real threat of a nuclear weapon falling into the hands of those who would do us harm.

Thus, it is quite clear to an individual such as myself, that the ideaology of the means to achieve an action is justified by the results of the action, or the consequences avoided were the action in absense.

In short, the ends justify the means.

The ends-Avoiding the detonation of a nuclear weapon/biological weapon/etc in a likely population center (DC, New York City, Chicago, Las Vegas, LA, etc.) is more than enough to justify the means, tapping phones, tracking sales records, or otherwise).

What individuals who are against these preventative measures don't seem to comprehend is what the repercussions on the US of a massive loss of life in a US population center.

Wars empirically retaliate, US citizens will have an outcry for retaliation to whomever they imagined committed the atrocity. Following an immediate withdrawal of the US from the Iraq/Afghanistan, most of the Middle East will be turned to glass. China will likely declare war, the US economy will become unstable, widescale panic will surely follow within America, including a massive slaughter of the Arab population across the US. China or Russia or both will seize the opportunity to attack, and the United States could be reduced to anarachy in a matter of weeks.

All because the naive and hate-filled populace is against the administration, just because.

Let them check my history, if it means stopping a major atrocity from transpiring, I am all for it.


reply posted on 13-12-2007 @ 11:59 AM by dariousg
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Then I guess you will be the first one to line up for a communist state? Let the government run everything in our lives so that way we don't have to worry about 'terrorists' coming and getting us. The sad thing is that it is people that have your view that is sitting idly by while the very foundation that this country was built around is dismantled. And when you laugh at my 'communist' statement you need to really think about what is going on.

The snooping into private citizens business is NOT only about preventing terrorism. It's about control. They want to know everything about everyone so they can stamp out any opposition to their destroying of the constitution. Many people in power do not LIKE our constitution. They even think of it as a terrorist document because it gives us rights to fight back and remove a corrupt government.

However, from what you are saying, you don't mind corruption in government. How many lies will you sit back and swallow from this government? Lies that are used to start wars. If our 'intelligence' community could be SO WRONG on Iraq and Iran then what is to make you think they will be right about you? How many people have been shipped out of this country now under this 'preventive terrorism' program with all of their rights stripped away? What if that was you?

You will undoubtedly say, "But I don't care if they look at my history". Well, WHAT IF THEY MAKE A MISTAKE? It won't matter. Once you are under international jurisdiction you are no longer an American citizen with civil rights. You are a suspect that can be tortured and treated inhumanely.

But we don't do that? (We being our government) Well, if you believe that then you have a VERY rude awakening coming your way one day. One day when you or someone you know and love end up in a FEMA camp.

Good luck with your blind loyalty. Just so you know, it is NOT Patriotic to be blindly loyal to this government. It is Patriotic to question their actions.

Oops, you can't even do that now without running the risk of having all of your personally property stripped from you. That's straight from our valiant leaders mouth. His personal declaration that is now pretty much a law. No questions on their actions or you run that risk.

So maybe blind loyalty and sheeple attitudes is the best path to follow.

Again, good luck my friend.
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