posted on Dec, 13 2007 @ 09:21 AM
Originally posted by albie
I'll get back to it tomorrow.
Here are a couple of things to think about.
Firstly, Silverstein's comment.
I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to
contain the fire. And I said, “You know, we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is… is pull it.”
Er… and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.
According to NIST NCSTAR1-8
, The Emergency Response Operations, page 111 (emphasis added)…
One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear. In the
process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the building’s Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire
Safety Director reported that the building’s floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7
reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors: 6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30. No accurate time is available
for these actions during the WTC 7 operations; however, the sequence of event indicates that it occurred during a time period from 12:30 p.m. to
approximately 2:00 p.m.
The Chief Officer then met with his command officer to discuss the building’s condition and FDNY’s capabilities for
controlling the building fires.
Thus, if the building was cleared by 2:00 p.m.
; and if the Chief Officer then
‘the FDNY’s capabilities for controlling the building fires
’ with his command officer; then the fire department commander could not have
informed Silverstein ‘that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire
.’ until after the building had
In other words, there were no firefighters to withdraw at the time Silverstein spoke with the fire department commander.
There is also an interesting eyewitness acount from Indira Singh given In an interview
Bonnie Faulkner, of KPFA’s Guns and Butter. Singh, a volunteer Emergency Medical Technician on 9/11, claims the area around WTC-7 was cleared in
anticipation of a controlled collapse (emphasis added).
SINGH [at 11:22]: …pretty soon after noon, after midday on 9/11, we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If
you had been there, not being able to see very much - just flames everywhere and dark smoke - it is entirely possible… I, I do believe that they
brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable because of the collateral damage. That I
don’t know - I can’t attest to the… to the um, validity of that. All I can attest to is that by noon or one o’clock they told us we had to
move from that triage site up to Pace University, a little further away, because Building 7 was going to come down or be brought down.
FAULKNER: Did they actually use the word ‘brought’ down, and who was it that was telling you this?
SINGH: The fire department. The fire department. And, um, they did use the words “we’re gonna have to bring… we’re gonna have to bring it
down”. And for us there, um, observing the nature of the devastation, it was… they made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility.
Given the subsequent controversy over it I… I don't know. You know, I’m not an engineer, I don’t know. All I know is, you know, that was my
We backed off a little bit to Pace University. There was another panic around 4 o’clock because they were bringing the building down. And
people seemed to know this ahead of time so people were panicking again and running.
This time of 4 o'clock is further interesting because it ties in with the CNN footage, which was broadcast at 4:10, showing Aaron Brown announcing
that building 7 "is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing.
And we haven't even touched on whether 'pull it' is a term one might use to refer to a group of firefighters; whether Silverstein would have been
consulted about the firefighting operation in any event; and whether the term 'pull it' is used in the demolitions industry or not.