New Chinese Stealth Bomber, page 2

reply to post by Daedalus3

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literally it is a bad word in chinese. its really meanning is fantasy.

as a chinese i dont think chinese bombers can match ones of USA. no point of this.

reply to post by kilcoo316

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I wasn't talking about just passive structure, I know full well that we are almost at the limits of passive stealth, but by upgrade I meant active systems, you can't really upgrade passive systems now can you?
Shattered OUT...

reply to post by kilcoo316

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Hmm, possibly, However, the F-22 and the B-2 have different requirements and operational realities that have to be factored intot he design.

According to Ben Rich, the Skunk Works entry that lost to the B-2 was indeed stealthier than the winning design. While he may be blowing smoke, I think he may be on the level.

So I think there is still plenty of room for design of passive stealth aircraft. Esp for a bomber which does not have to fly both fast and dogfight etc.

reply to post by Zizek

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Boy have you been fooled. The chinese Military is a threat to the US and all other countries. The best way to really screw up the US war machine is to take out the satelite's and computer links they use to run the military.

The US military would not know what to do if it could not be typed on a keyboard...
I have read articles on this discussion and if you cripple communication links/GPS links it would be just like someone pulling the plug on a computer.

The chinese military has the US military outmanned 4 to1 . I respect our soldiers 100% but as an example imagine 500,000 chinese soldiers who will fight until the last man as that is how they are trained/raised.

The Chinese military studies every little detail of a plane/battle ship /tank and then they produce them for their army. Yeah its a knock off the US Bomber but if it flies then it is able to drop bombs or release nukes.

do some research on China and see all the advances they have made in the military/electronics/weaponry and you may think different.

reply to post by Nailer

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And our troops aren't trained to fight to the end either? Because they don't care about themselves and others around them?

The US military has backups and fail safes, shooting down satellites will only disable GPS at best and that does it for everyone else, not just the US.

China should focus on getting their massive army over the Pacific before we start thinking "threat". I hope their amphibious forces are as good as America's, cause that's the only feasible way I imagine a successful invasion being launched. The logistics alone is overwhelming on something that large.

I just don't forsee a conflict between the US and China.

Shattered OUT...

reply to post by ShatteredSkies

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Well, I'm a Chinese. So I knew deeply our Chinese are not such race like Russian who alway be eager to spoliate other's land, if we wan to, we already did several hundreds years ago.

But those son of bitch in Zhongnanhai should be pushed in guillotine. Nuke Shanghai, is the best almsdeed US should do. This would be disgress.

Back to stealth, I think, low observable for Radar not only rely on shape but more rely on fabric of material, so it is not easy to imitate.

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
reply to post by kilcoo316

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I wasn't talking about just passive structure, I know full well that we are almost at the limits of passive stealth, but by upgrade I meant active systems, you can't really upgrade passive systems now can you?
Shattered OUT...

Much more can be done with passive "stealth", and upgrades to existing structures are done all of the time (such as various upgrades to the B-2 to reduce thermal and EM emissions - though, from what I understand about those systems, they are active in nature, but it's not like a "cloak" generator or something).

The most difficult detection method to defend against is LADAR - essentially RADAR with a laser as opposed to a microwave antenna. It's highly accurate, can generate very accurate telemetry data, and is highly resistant to noise and jamming.

Though I have no evidence to suggest it - I strongly believe the U.S. already has such systems. It only makes sense. They are lighter weight, more power efficient, harder to detect, harder to jam, and far more accurate. Which are all limiting factors of existing radar systems.

So I always laugh when the Swiss or some other country are gloating about some new "unbeatable" system they have developed. I particularly liked one of their "laser guided anti-air missiles" - about the most ridiculous thing I have seen - as if a person could keep a laser beam on a maneuvering aircraft (which should be pulling out of all attack runs as though it had been fired upon) at either close range or at a distance. But at least they are developing new toys to give their soldiers.

Anyway - China is a real threat to the U.S. in the long run of things. Their population is approaching a collapse. Already they have had to extend the retirement age simply because they cannot afford it (which means there are far fewer youngsters to support the aging population). Furthermore, China has no real resources of its own - it's primary resource has been labor, very cheap labor, at that. While China has been developing automated systems very similar to ones used in the U.S. - such systems negate the normal cost advantages that come with business from China (it's the reason some heavy industry has survived in the U.S. - mostly parts that require more strict quality control standards and precision parts).

Furthermore, an alarming percentage of the younger-generation of Chinese is male, with an increasing percentage of the female population being rendered infertile due to rape and disease.

China has two major needs if it wishes to "survive" - women, and natural resources. Their leaders aren't stupid - they know this.

What further concerns me is the tension mounting between India and China (recently with China entering the diamond refinement business and cutting into India's primary market). Both have been having a miniature arms race with each other.

I'm also concerned about Russia and China. I don't think they will remain good friends for very long. China needs natural resources, and they will want to cut into Russia before they get their strength back (I also wonder if China's recent advances did not alarm some of the Russian brass and get the blood running back to their military).

I'm not 100% certain how all of it will unfold - but a conflict between the U.S. and China is inevitable. And I honestly think we will find ourselves a rather unlikely ally in the Russians (though I'm not too certain about India and where that all will go - they may be akin to Russia in WW II - the enemy of our enemy but not necessarily our friend).

As far as China developing some kind of stealth bomber - it wouldn't surprise me.

Would it be able to beat our defense systems? I don't know for sure. But that isn't the issue - the issue is whether or not Russia, Taiwan, Australia, Japan, and India could defend against it. And it's highly likely that China would gain a lot of experience in how to use their weapons in conflicts with any of those countries that would be vital in defeating our own detection systems (most of the reason the enemy doesn't detect our stealth aircraft is because we plan the entire mission in a manner that keeps the aircraft as much out of harm's way as possible - it's not the aircraft, but the precautions combined with the aircraft's characteristics).

And, unlike Hitler, I doubt the Chinese will be as stupid. Which is unfortunate for us.

Call me crazy - but I honestly think parts of Europe will be allied with China on this one - probably some "to create a grand world government" title - some "for the better of man."

And, if my gut feeling is correct, all of this will pretty much kick off with a push for a global government coming from the libbies in Europe, and America will start a civil war over the issue.... and China just sort of does what China does best - take advantage of the situation.

reply to post by RedBaron

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hmmm.. valid point.. Moving it to the PAK-FA thread..
lets continue analysis there.

As of right now, the H-8 bomber is a myth. It exists only in the crevices of rumor and speculation. The J-20 stealth fighter, on the other hand, shows just what China is capable of. I have done hundreds of hours of research into it and I wrote a few short articles on it, as well as a book, if anyone wants to check it out.

www.politikalmatters.com...

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