Good news. We have scheduled a telephone call between myself, Larry and Mr. White for tomorrow at 2:00PM CST.

This could be a very interesting case. If there is any way to definitively prove, one way or the other, what this object is we plan on doing it.

I'll update after our call.

Springer...

That was a long, but amazing 7 pages!

I have no idea what the thing is and I'm not here to offer any real input other than this is one of the best threads I've ever read on ATS. The co-operation, the theories and above all, the results!

Flagged, subscribed and all the other stuff. Looking forward to what's coming in the future.

larry my friend

i am beginning to understand the true ramifications of what you have endured for 11 years; after giving a brief description and background to my "friend" the metallurgist he agreed to study the matter and see what he could recommend and arrange; however i found out that he has been following this thread on ats(not a member,just lurker) and now has withdrawn all offers of anything. curiouser and curiouser. is there some thing we are missing here?

I don't know. It doesn't look like any typical iron meteorite, which tend to look more asymmetrical and Swiss-cheesy. It would be nice if there was some kind of obvious purposely manufactured structure to it. Like alien warp drive circuitry (or an alien iPod).

There have been other UFO cases in the past where slag has been associated with a sighting, like the Maury Island Case. Unfortunately, if our Visitors from Beyond the Moon are flying spaceships made of the same general stuff we have lying around in our own factories, these kinds of unstructured industrial cast-offs or by-products aren't much for proof. As for Time Travelers, if this piece was going to eventually be any kind of definitive proof, they would have already come back and picked it up.

Another dead end in the UFO field? What a surprise.

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Deffinatly one of the most interesting things I have ever seen regarding Alien/UFO evidence, I watch with interest!

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That is pretty odd that after testing the thing, the lab comes up with two new aluminum alloys. Should have it tested to see if results show it having those new alloys in it.

Am I right in that the object wasn't originally flattened at the end? That's where they cut a slice off for the testing right? I'm trying to remember what I saw on either the Discovery or History channel about it.

[edit on 16-12-2007 by nightmare_david]

yes the big end was cut off at los alamos. they said they couldnt get the entire object in the machine.

the sectioned the end piece into 7 pieces. we got half of the big end back and several of the smaller ones also. one was destroyed in a test.

but they took a large slice and kept that as the end we got back didnt line up with the rest of the object.


this was the cutting at los alamos

this is the half we got back. when matched to the rest of the object it dont match the object.


they where very interested in the large end of the object. thats where we got the xray and the EMF from by the way. the humps seem to be the hot spots on it.


larry

i dont know when it happened...i do know this isnt the first time i have discussed los alamos and stealing a piece of the object. it is on my web site also on the front page..im not known for being discreet when i comment and state an opinion.

we have the original poloriods taken at los alamos of the sectioning on the end piece also plus the video taken during the cutting. its what a tv company calls a B roll...background and fill in cuts when they are producing a show..thats why bob was there and the cameras..seem kind of strange all of a sudden you cant see the patents gotten by los alamos now. they where wide open before.

the plot thickens...

larry

Thanks for the post Mike - intriguing thread (though HAL should get some credit for his prior OP on this same topic).

Good luck with everything your trying to do, Larry. I agree with others who have recommended working with Springer - he's utterly dependable, diligent, and resourceful. You can do no better in securing support and a catalyst for the truth.

For those who'd like a close-up vid of Bob White's artifact, here's the Mary Sutherland interview with some decent zoomed-in 3D:

Google Video Link

And here's the breakdown of the initial spectrometer composition analysis:

graphical content courtesy TheSocietyOfLight.org]

Having used mass spectrometers myself I can vouch for their accuracy and reliable consistency - though for this sample, as Larry suggests, the higher-end instrumentation should be brought to bear if our consortium can be persuasive enough to execute.

Looking forward to an update and test results as they may materialize...

All the best - and keep looking up!

The wheels are in motion.

I had a very enjoyable 45 minute conversation with Larry and Mr. White and my friend is contacting a forensic PhD metallurgist to see what we can get done.

Soon as I have more to report I'll report it.

Springer...

Fellow archivists, in the FOIA documents that we are working on is a piece coming out that might have some small bearing on this. We need to have someone else review the document, (I did the first report, though I could only download the first 65 or so pages.) Look for the one that mentions the "Horten" Brothers. The part that I found, that relates to this is in the first 15 or so pages.

For everyone else: I have looked at some pictures from about 1947-48 that show an object that looks very much like the one pictured here. It's in relation to a UFO!

The documents are generally put up after two or three posts on it are made by archivists, though because of the size of this one, it may take a couple more. Then again, it could be posted sooner, as it shows what I think is a tie in to this case-that is not up to me to decide.

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