Originally posted by Springer
I am opposed to spending more money

not as opposed to it as I am

Ooh, I was going to bet that the results would be "inconclusive!" They always are. What you generally get from any UFO samples is something like, "an unusual combination of elements, but nothing to clearly indicate an extraterrestrial source."

Well, I guess you have to look anyway. As for dating it, since it's not organic I would imagine you'd have to do something particularly tricky with it.

Yes, this always happens. Oh, well.

Crakeur said,

Stanton Friedman isn't reviewing the report. Springer and I are reviewing it. It's a metalurgists report on the various findings. He was going to give us his take on whether or not we should bother going forward with additional testing

Yeah, I know that Crakeur. Mike sent Stanton the link to this thread to read. I just figured he wouldn't have time to read the whole thread, with his books and all.

appriciate your efforts mark...pretty much figured that would be the conclusions.

the basic elemental tests he reviewed would end up with exactly what he sent you as results..i think i mentioned that already.

with out the proper tests done the answer will never be known.

again we appriciate you efforts. we will continue ours.

my question will be the same..if this is so easy to produce,

produce me one to see or show me one from some casting plant.

larry

the isotope tests may not have been done..

we have taped conversations with both paul dunn and dr risweig contradicting the report..

one said there where tests done..one said there werent so thats not any good either.

the isotope tests IF DONE where done on silcon.
that number will be the same no matter where it is from..a grain of sand or the chip in your computor or moon dust will always be the same.. 28 29 30

the results of all of our tests where posted and have been. any scientist can read results of some other ones work and he will be in aggreement with what the paper says..

what a seeker of the absolute truth needs is a scientist who will do the proper tests to deteremine the origin of the material in question...

as far as a time question..it was made in 1985 over the skies of colorado..

thats where it came from as the eye witness has stated..

ive been dealing with this for 11 years mark..its easy for someone to interpret standard basic testing and their conclusions will follow their book of knowns..when your dealing with the unknown you pretty much throw the book away and start over..

what tests did he determine should be done if other tests where performed??

i know what other tests should be done and there are more than 8 that can prove extraterrestrial origins..

larry



[edit on 17-1-2008 by larryroyc]

Well this news is disappointing, but I will still look forward to the report.

I think that with you guys showing interest in this case and shelling out a few bucks speaks volumes. Anyone who thinks this place is all about the commercial aspect of the site should know what you've done here.

Thank-you Springer.
It's gonna take awhile to absorb all this.
This kind of investigations is what makes the ATS
the Best!
Sure appreciate all your efforts.

Springer,
First and foremost, thank you and your metallurgist friend for the analysis. Nothing pleases me more than to see these cases taken seriously.

Questions for the Researcher:
I am in no way an expert on this, but after reading your analysis, I have a few questions:

1) Could we acquire a definition for the term:
'Low Quality Processing'
You've used this term several times, but never defined it. Are you talking about the manufacturing of the object? What other sort of 'processing' could have been performed on the object? What makes it 'low' quality, and what would make it 'high' quality? What is the distinction?

2) The 'lack of Tin' issue doesn't seem to be brought up in your analysis. Is there Tin in the composition of the metal? If not, how is this explained as a product of terrestrial manufacturing, when Tin is found to be present in (Earth Based) terrestrial manufacturing?

~EDIT~
Just saw at the bottom of the second composition chart the Tin specs:
Tin, Sn (%)0----<= 0.150<= 0.300<= 0.150<= 0.350<= 0.150<= 0.150
These are relatively low percentages compared with the other metals found in the object. Does anyone know how this compares to the ratio of tin found in common manufactured Aluminum Alloys?
~END EDIT~

3) Trying to understand the rationale here:
The lack of Cosmic Radiation induced Isotopes found in the metal suggest that the Object was manufactured within Earth's atmosphere...

-Does it have to be Earth's atmo? Seems to me that ANY planet with an atmosphere even remotely similar to our own would similarly protect against cosmic radiation...

-Also, would these Isotopes not be erradicated by a secondary process of superheating (after manufacture)? For example, say the Object WAS made in space, it would reveal the Isotopes showing the influence of Cosmic Radiation after manufacture. But then superheat that same object to the point that the composition metal begins to melt, (high velocity re-entry? contact with a superheated source like a theoretical spaceship engine?) and then rapid cool the object (by rapid travel through the lower atmosphere?) allowing the metal to reform into the tear-drop shape...
Would we still expect these Isotopes to be apparent after such exposure?

These are just the first questions that entered my mind after reading the report. Anyone with expertise on these issues that could help me understand the answers to these questions? Just trying to make sure I understand everything properly. If the researcher would care to comment, I'm sure we would all love to hear it! He/She would be anonymous here in the ATS forum, or could communicate through Springer?




[edit on 18-1-2008 by WitnessFromAfar]

I don't see its being an Earthly Construct as being any less interesting. If what was seen was a Military Craft and this is a piece of residue it still has me interested. This would indicate we have some interesting advances in aircraft to look forward too as these objects are revealed.

Thanks for the information and the effort.