The object could almost be passed off as the result of a very much more refined and understood example of the "Hutchison Effect". It seems that if Hutchinson had more time, money and understanding of what he is potentially doing in his experiments (if the observed results are real), he could create the same result with very intentionally focused EM fields on an ingot of aluminum, maybe?

I know, I know, proving Hutchinson is actually doing anything substantial must be a first step to even come close to associating what he is doing to what this object is - got stuck in dream mode for a few.

Just mumbling, something has always seemed so damn familiar to me about this object, I just cant place it....

Edit to ask: Has anyone every sent a piece of this to Alcoa for an analysis or an opinion?

[edit on 18-12-2007 by Lost_Mind]

Just a hypothetical thought experiment:

Would it be just "possible" to create Bob's object terrestrially? I'm not suggesting this is the case, and would love to hear confirmation that the origin is indeed extraterrestrial and could be nothing but extraterrestrial.

But if a determined, skillful, funded metallurgist with access to the right equipment and material had a mind and motive to do so, could he?

The composition list indicates 85% + Aluminum, about 10% Silicon, and a dozen or more trace quantities of other elements, all of which look to be 'obtainable'. Toss in a bit of radioactivity, stir and melt the pot a bunch of different ways, and start blasting cone-shaped slags until you get one that "looks cool". Then hit the UFO circuit, create a web site and start selling books, DVDs and Paypal donations.

Please understand, I'm NOT a skeptic - I merely wish to eliminate the possible terrestrial explanations so that we may all rejoice in the validity of an extraterrestrial one. It's just investigative science: "ET Forensics", if you will.

So - CAN it be faked or CAN'T it?

Originally posted by Outrageo


But if a determined, skillful, funded metallurgist with access to the right equipment and material had a mind and motive to do so, could he?



Please understand, I'm NOT a skeptic - I merely wish to eliminate the possible terrestrial explanations so that we may all rejoice in the validity of an extraterrestrial one. It's just investigative science: "ET Forensics", if you will.

So - CAN it be faked or CAN'T it?

sir, to duplicate this particular piece would require being able to extrude the casting under high pressure in a vacuum and then instantaneously drop it from say a height of 25,000 feet?



the people i know that cast aluminum and exotic materials are of the opinion that it would require a lot of work and trial and error to duplicate; your guess is as good as theirs.

Like I said in my prev. post I know of 2 ways to make such an object, the third wouldnt work the more I thought about it.

And just because I say I know how to make one doesnt mean that I am implying that the White Object is a fraud or a mis-identified "common object", on the contrary if you know how to make one the you can eliminate the possiblities in accordance with its context.
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The first way to make one would be by laser sintered powder metal lithography.
By now many people are familiar with "rapid prototyping" or stereo lithography. The procces by which a digital 3D model can be rendered as a solid object. The model is sliced up into slices of .001-.005" thick, these contours are then traced by a laser on the surface of a liquid polymer. It hardends when heated by the laser and a tray drops down a distance equal to the thickness and a new contour is scanned out. Layer by layer a solid model is built up from the digital data. There are also systems that are just like a inkjet printer, and as the print head prints the section with a UV activated ploymer, it is hardened by a UV light as the print head returns.
In laser sintered powder metal lithography, very very very fine powdered, sub micron size grains, metals are sprayed under very high pressure into a laser which traces the contours. It is possible to build up solid metal objects of a nature not possible with any other known method.
The particles are heated and are moving with such velocity, that they will join at the atomic level. You can get completley homogenous metalic structure in all sorts of shapes not possible before. You can also change metals in mid stream. Go from steel to aluminum then to bronze. I saw a piece that looked llike a ordinary 2" dia. steel bar, heat treated 4142 to be exact. It had the apearance of being turned and faced and was about 12" long.
Then next to it was an identical bar that had a quarter section removed to reveal the honey combed core filled with bronze.
Its an amazing process that could produce the shape, complete with chads, but is very new and wasnt around when he came across the object.
And again why go through the effort and there are only a couple of these machine in existence.

Second way to make one would be to spray molten aluminum under extreme pressure. I mean extreme pressure, when they molten aluminum leaves they spray nozzle its pressure would drop and it would start to freeze out on the surfaces of the nozzle and once the base "cup" forms the more metal will condense on the inside surfaces and it goes by.
All the while the boundry of formation is kept fluid by the stream of molten metal passing it. The exit passage would get narrower and narrower, the formation longer and more pointed, till finally the end hole closes then it all freezes up.
Yah and it all has to be done in a vacuum or inert gas atmosphere, as was mentioned earlier.
From the photos it appears as though there were 3 separate spray nozzles.
Im not really sure if anyone has looked at what liquid metals do under extreme pressures, its very difficult to heat and contain metals at the pressures im thinking of. Since temp and pressure are directly proportional
could you convievably keep a metal liquid at near room temps?
As soon as pressure was released the metal solidify?

sure love to see one...i dont think the process your talking about could get the chads formed to be honest in my opinion..they are oxidized and brittle to the touch and sharp...that would be really hard to try and duplicate in an oxygen enviroment...

the new tech out there today is fantastic no doubt..but since this has been around long before the processes your talking about it really doesnt apply to this situation..

making something similar to bobs object doesnt answer the questions that are most important...how was it formed in 1985 from a uf light encounter in the high dessert and what is it?? how does it send out EMF radiation and how did is expose xray film in a direct beam instead of just blacking out the film from random radiation...the exposer is directed, not scattered..how has it absorbed neutron radiation to trigger a bubble chamber to show neutron rads..all i can say is ive seen what has happened with this thing which makes my story on this as good as any alien annul probe out there...

lots of questions.. NO ANSWERS..i hope the forensic tests will show whats going on...time will tell..

larry

Now to the chemistry, it is very intriguing. There are traces of the containment vessel, and there are "doping" elements.

Originally posted by larryroyc
When you really start to disect the elements identified in this metal then start doing basic searches for what these elements are used for the story gets really interesting...many of the elements identified are used in lasers.

They are also used in the new laser weapons programs we have going now..

larry

Is there a connection between these new laser weapons and the piece that was kept by LANL for analysis? Hmmm...It's sure getting curiouser and curiouser!!

Out of curiosity, just where do most of us now stand?

Is this an object that most likely could not have been produced on Earth? Is this an example of something that is black budget terrestrial? Is it an elaborate hoax?

I will weigh in here and now against any hoax, based on the timeline and the inability of re-producing this type of item/object.

So where are we left to look? Will the contact with Springer see us further ahead?

Where do we stand, as to what we know, and can prove it to the world at large?

Edit to add the word "it".

[edit on 19-12-2007 by NGC2736]