Dealing with 9/11 Madness (argumentum ad hominem veritas), page 8
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reply posted on 22-9-2009 @ 07:49 PM by argentus
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Agree. I don't care for any of the labels. I could add to that: duhbunker, shill, disinfo agent, denier and even believer. If a person labels themselves in some manner, then fine. Otherwise, it's a tawdry attempt to cubbyhole someone's opinion with others and thereby discredit them.

We should be better than that. We should be able to exchange ideas and evidence without referencing someone or their personality, or indirectly by inferring they fit within a label of some sort.

I think that's the primary reason why some choose to rarely participate in the 9/11 threads........ it's true for me, at least; not a fear of confrontation or anything else, just more a recognition that the hyperbole has gotten above chest-high.

[edit to add: denier] *sigh*

[edit on 22/9/09 by argentus]


reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 09:51 PM by bsbray11
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I've also complained about a couple of more extreme cases but similarly not much/nothing was done as a result.

I know these complaints go off to a moderator forum. I suspect moderators have even had this same discussion, and had to draw the line somewhere. And I get the feeling that the line stops just short of moderating "twoofer," even though it's an obvious insult and I fail to see why it wouldn't fall under the moderation policy.

To date my attitude has just been "fight fire with fire" while aiming to avoid moderation myself, and reporting more extreme violations. I realize how petty all of this sounds, but I actually take exchanges on this forum fairly seriously and consider it an information "war" of sorts. This is reality, after all, and we are each real people behind these usernames and posts, so don't think for a second what people think here has no ripple-effect anywhere else.



reply posted on 28-9-2009 @ 11:14 PM by talisman
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Your correct, I am no better although I think certain people, like reheat get away with a lot, so I take it case by case as well. If it is out of the ordinary so be it or if there is that line that is hard to define I suppose we have to deal with it.




[edit on 28-9-2009 by talisman]


reply posted on 4-10-2009 @ 09:50 PM by scott3x
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Originally posted by bsbray11
I've also complained about a couple of more extreme cases but similarly not much/nothing was done as a result.


Did you protest the "Caricaturizing one's opponents doesn't help 9/11 discussions" thread? It was deleted today, much to my chagrin. I think there should be -somewhere- where we are allowed to talk in a civilized manner concerning differences we have with others so that this can be resolved instead of just letting differences fester, and that thread was my effort to create such a space. Perhaps this thread is the place for it though.


Originally posted by bsbray11
I know these complaints go off to a moderator forum. I suspect moderators have even had this same discussion, and had to draw the line somewhere. And I get the feeling that the line stops just short of moderating "twoofer," even though it's an obvious insult and I fail to see why it wouldn't fall under the moderation policy.


I agree, that does sound unnecessarily insulting.

Originally posted by bsbray11
To date my attitude has just been "fight fire with fire" while aiming to avoid moderation myself, and reporting more extreme violations. I realize how petty all of this sounds, but I actually take exchanges on this forum fairly seriously and consider it an information "war" of sorts. This is reality, after all, and we are each real people behind these usernames and posts, so don't think for a second what people think here has no ripple-effect anywhere else.


I think that Watcher in the Shadows pointed out how you yourself have fallen to insulting others, when you labelled the Germans who were fooled by Hitler as "stupid". I don't like using the term at all, and I definitely see it worse then "twoofers". Granted, Watcher in the Shadows may have said a few rough things against you as well, but I defended his initial point anyway. I've certainly been called some things myself, -by- people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job, even though I myself am one of them. I was finally responding to some rather nasty ones today from some in this group in that very thread when the entire 60+ post thread was deleted and even references to the responses I made were OTed.


reply posted on 4-10-2009 @ 10:23 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
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I know we buried this between us but I have to say: Yes, but, how hypocritical to do unto others what you hate being done to you?



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